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Post by fascinating on Aug 2, 2015 8:40:21 GMT 1
Actually mrsonde's posts in this discussion could be held up as characteristic of his time-wasting ploys which he so often displays For example his claim of 2 million migrants a year, which is manifestly false, but he continued to stick to his claim without evidence. Or take the example of his assertion that the debacle of American invasion of Somalia is a "typical anti-American fantasy of the loony left"; he first displays his idle-minded position that every political opinion must be right- or left-wing, then he, after making his snide remark, is unable to provide anything, by way of evidence or even argument, to support an alternative narrative.
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Post by jean on Aug 2, 2015 10:55:34 GMT 1
Rubbish. I haven't bothered doing so again... You haven't done so even once. However, you've now switched from claiming that you don't insult people to claiming that your insults are justified, so that's progress, of a sort. Not forgotten at all - who could forget! What you have forgotten though, curiously, is how you would leap to my defence when the poor man accused me of defending rape. Do you really not remember that?
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Post by jean on Aug 2, 2015 11:02:50 GMT 1
Actually mrsonde's posts in this discussion could be held up as characteristic of his time-wasting ploys which he so often displays... Too true! It's all too easy to be lured into the trap, so that the substantive points of the discusssion are quite lost.
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Post by jean on Aug 2, 2015 16:28:39 GMT 1
"Manipulative"?! That's how you see yourself, is it? It most certainly isn't how I see myself! But it does appear to be how you see me. I think that's a fair inference from your You like to insult in a snide, supercilious manner, so you can feign the moral highground when someone responds in exactly the way you intended
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 4, 2015 19:46:45 GMT 1
More time-wasting drivel from by mrsonde. As he, and everyone else who has read this discussion, knows, he cannot provide any instances where I started insulting him, yet of course he obviously spewed out a string of insults. It's him who "starts it" alright. I am not here to attempt to enlighten your risible lack of self-awareness madame. If I took the trouble of showing you how you started the insults, as I have done in the past, you wouldn't respond. You'd just say something typically fatuous like your last response: "oh, well I said that because I was getting frustrated." You wouldn't apologise. And you wouldn't desist from making the same mistake again. Frankly, everyone who reads these posts are I'm 100% certain thoroughly bored with your hypocritical whining as I am. If you feel frustrated by superior arguments, make better ones. If you don't like insults, don't make them. That's the last time I'm going to give you that basic lesson in civility. Go away and digest it.
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 4, 2015 19:57:59 GMT 1
Actually mrsonde's posts in this discussion could be held up as characteristic of his time-wasting ploys which he so often displays For example his claim of 2 million migrants a year, which is manifestly false, but he continued to stick to his claim without evidence. I gave you the evidence. It is up to you to provide the slightest piece of evidence for such a lunatic "narrative" madame. As it was for your other insane lefty claims such as that there is no such thing as "race", or Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine, or the problems of the Third World come down to a lack of education, or that running a 5% structural deficit for ten years hasn't created a disaster because "everyone does it" and we had a 200% debt ratio in 1945. Not every political position must be right or left-wing; it's just that yours are a sub-standard ink-smeared barely legible phoocopy from the New Statesman, circa 1985: compeletely predictable, completely outdated, completely wrong.
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 4, 2015 20:10:40 GMT 1
Rubbish. I haven't bothered doing so again... You haven't done so even once. I did - twice. You responded to neither, though you definitely read them. I'm not wasting my time again. I have never claimed I don't insult people. On the contrary, I have always pointed out to you, and Fascinating, unlike your ridiculous attempt at self-defence genuinely the only two people who have ever {i]ever[/i] complained about it, that I don't mind in the least insulting you, if you intitiate such an exchange. It really doesn't bother me at all. Sooner or later lefties always resort to such tactics - they have no other choice. The only justification I deem required is that you - both or either of you - begin the exchange. That's a fact. No, not really. I leapt to his defence, really. Asking him to either explain himself or desist from such wild undermining accusations. As with your and Fascinating's attempts to argue anything, such stupidity obscured anything sensible that you might be struggling to say. I remember very clearly, thankyou. It doesn't help your argument, however. That you're not by the strict definition of the terms a defender of child rape, or a cunt, does not mean you do not insitgate such insults by your own. It doesn't even mean that yours are any the less objectionable. Actually, after the Rotherham etc revelations, we can begin to see more clearly what he was getting at, can we not?
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 4, 2015 23:17:45 GMT 1
Actually mrsonde's posts in this discussion could be held up as characteristic of his time-wasting ploys which he so often displays... Too true! It's all too easy to be lured into the trap, so that the substantive points of the discusssion are quite lost. Oh yeah? Remind me, because for the life of me I can't recall: when was the last time you made any sort of "substantive point" in any discussion, exacttly? In my deeply unrewarding exchanges with you, I believe the last was that race was a social construct, and not genetically determined, wasn't it? This morning Britain's most distinguished transpant surgeon was making a plea for "ethnic" groups to volunteer swabs to solve the dire lack of suitable organ and tissue donors. As an unfortunate example of the consequences of your ideological dogma a four year old child was depicted, almost certain to die unless he could find a suitable bone marrow donor. But none are available, because he's - oh, horror - "mixed race". White people just won't do, you see - they're too European. Their bone marrow has been corrupted by centuries of eurocentric ethnosuperiority. And before tht it was about the foundations of music, wasn't it? When you felt obliged to avoid discussing the issue with me, but nevertheless felt justified in quoting me to another board of "experts" with accompanying insults and then, years later, when you felt cross enough to reveal such guttersnipe behaviour, you totally ignored my responses to their ignorant comments. So - what are your "substantive points", exactly? Leave out the insults, if you would, and you might see the engagement you claim you desire.
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 4, 2015 23:21:46 GMT 1
"Manipulative"?! That's how you see yourself, is it? It most certainly isn't how I see myself! But it does appear to be how you see me. I think that's a fair inference from your You like to insult in a snide, supercilious manner, so you can feign the moral highground when someone responds in exactly the way you intendedNo, that' doesn't imply manipulation. To be manipulative requires conscious deliberation. You're just ignorant of your own motivations, that's all.
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Post by fascinating on Aug 6, 2015 8:31:11 GMT 1
More time-wasting drivel from by mrsonde. As he, and everyone else who has read this discussion, knows, he cannot provide any instances where I started insulting him, yet of course he obviously spewed out a string of insults. It's him who "starts it" alright. I am not here to attempt to enlighten your risible lack of self-awareness madame. If I took the trouble of showing you how you started the insults, as I have done in the past, you wouldn't respond. You'd just say something typically fatuous like your last response: "oh, well I said that because I was getting frustrated." You wouldn't apologise. And you wouldn't desist from making the same mistake again. Frankly, everyone who reads these posts are I'm 100% certain thoroughly bored with your hypocritical whining as I am. If you feel frustrated by superior arguments, make better ones. If you don't like insults, don't make them. That's the last time I'm going to give you that basic lesson in civility. Go away and digest it. No I won't go away and I won't digest your vomit. All you are being asked to do is show how I started the insults in this discussion. Garbage Why do you persist in posting then? I don't. Good, as you are unable to give lessons in civility. You can't even be civil.
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Post by fascinating on Aug 6, 2015 8:43:32 GMT 1
No it is up to you to provide evidence for your lunatic alternative narrative (as you call it). On the other matters, you can desist from misrepresenting my statements.
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 7, 2015 18:16:57 GMT 1
I told you where to find it, if you're so interested. The evidence is an entirely reasonable exptrapolation from the decades long record locating the last recorded abscissa at over one million in 2005. There is no reason at all to suppose that the curve has reversed its steady climb in the intervening decade - on the contrary, there are abundant reasons to suppose it has accelerated. I am perfectly capable of presenting this evidence, thankyou - I just don;t see why I should go to the bother, when you're the one who wants to know, and, as usual, you can't be bothered to look for yourself.
No - just the way your mind works.
I gave you the facts of the matter, you twit. If you wanted to refute it you merely had to lok at a wiki page. If you want to sustain your ludicrous far-left alternative interpretation, you;re going to have to work a great deal harder. But I wouldn't even try if I were you - if you really are so woefully ignorant of the history of the 20th century that you believe the United States could be defeated if it attempted to invade Somalia, I suggest you stick to your job of holding up lollipops or whatever the hell it is you do.
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 7, 2015 18:41:40 GMT 1
Tell me when you're ready to start trying to be "polite and reasonable", will you? Again?! Why? What's in it for me? I'm a busy person, madame. If you're so bothered about the matter - I'm not, in the least - why don't you show me how I started it? Then we can go from there, can't we? I can merely spend a few seconds rolling back from your citation to where you started it. Go for it. Otherwise, STFU, for gawd's sake! Come on - put a little effort in! Yeah? When have you ever apologised then? Not the last time I demonstrated to you that you started the insults, that's for sure. I've told you a dozen times - I'm not bothered. You have no effect on me whatsoever. You're merely an ignorant girl, of no consequence at all. I have never seen you make any worthwhile contribution to any board, ever. Your head is full of predictable lefty sawdust. Just the times it's pointed out to you, eh? And those times don't count, cos you're frustrated by your own lack of intelligence like. What you need to do is either grow a brain, or a backbone. Just you, lady, and of course the equally obnoxious and self-deluded Jean Hartrick. No one else has any difficulty discussing with me. There have been a few who are a lot better at exchanging insults than you are - but they haven't had the depths of stupidity and hypocrisy that you and Jean share, and have never complained about getting as good - better, I naturally like to think - as they dole out. Frankly - you're as hopeless at boorish insults as you are at reasonable debate.
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Post by fascinating on Aug 8, 2015 8:02:39 GMT 1
Yes, the oft repeated "I am perfectly capable of presenting the evidence" but, oh wait, "I can't be bothered". I did bother looking for the evidence myself - it isn't there. Stop spouting your time-wasting rubbish.
No it's not.
... and still no evidence or even reasoned argument.
Your alternative narrative about what happened when the US invaded Somalia.
You show, with quotes, where I said those things.
Tell me when you are.
Not again, just once would be a start. But we all know that there were no insults from me in this discussion.
You are not bothered but you keep presenting rather long posts going over the same issue repeatedly. Not that I mind, I'm quite enjoying watching you squirm.
When was that?
You admit that you cannot be civil to Jean and I then?
Do you honestly think that making charges of hypocrisy against others is going to hide your manifest hypocrisy in repeatedly claiming that you won't start insulting people unless they start insulting you first, a ludicrous claim that has been proven to be false?
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Post by mrsonde on Aug 9, 2015 20:03:47 GMT 1
I told you where to find it. You did not look.
Just a coincidence then, is it? Remarkable.
I have given you the evidence, and told you where to find it. You haven't bothered to look, and you haven't presented any countervailing evidence of your own. As to argument - what argument have you presented? You're not interested in any argument! As usual you merely want to quibble over exact figures, and persevere in your snide insults, do you not? You do realise that this is what you do, don't you? Not the merest glimmer of self-awareness there?
That's not a "narrative". It's called the facts of the matter.
Oh for gawd's sake! What do you think I am, your effing servant, with nothing to do all day but jump at your every command, looking up things you're too bone idle and dishonest to do yourself, for no purpose whatsoever? I repeat: what is it that you now retract? There is not a single reader of this board who doesn't know full well that you've argued those positions over the past couple of years - if you wish to resile from them, do so by all means, but don't try to fool anyone that you haven't forecefully tried to hold them, (along with your usual copious accompanying insults to anyone who has disagreed with you, of course.)
I'll repeat for the dozenth or so time: I feel free and entirely justified to respond to insults with insults. You understand? Has it sunk in yet? Go away and digest it. Otherwise - carry on, who cares?
In your case, I've done it once already - and you didn't respond at all, except to claim you were justified because you were getting wound up. In Jean's case, twice, and she didn't say a word. Why on earth should I indulge in this ridiculous game of yours yet again? No - come on. It's your move. Show me where you believe I started it, and I'll scroll back and show how I was responding to your insult. That way, I don't waste any more of my time, and you'll have something else you can pretend not to remember, won't you?
Do you really believe that? Shall I find them for you? Yes or no.
You're a child.
I say that I have been almost superhumanly civil over the years to both you and Jean. I can hardly believe the patience and forebearance I've displayed myself. You are both thoroughly unpleasant individuals, incapable of learning anything, or engaging your minds to any serious purpose.
It has not been proven to be false - it can't be, because it's the truth. Show me, madame. Answer for once. The same goes to Jean. You've noticed she hasn't responded to this challenge, one I've made to her many times in the past? Neither of you. Do so.
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