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Post by alancalverd on Oct 24, 2017 23:32:32 GMT 1
This evening I called my best friend a fat bitch. She wagged her tail and went off to drink from the toilet.
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Post by aquacultured on Oct 25, 2017 1:24:13 GMT 1
You said, ... So much for Aqua's hopeful scenario that Brexit would absorb everybody's time. [I have to do this like this, as mrsonde's quotes don't seem to conform.)Not hopeful to me. Simply factual. Really, is that so? Factual. Explain to us then what is so complicated about returning to how this country ran itself in 1972, as it had done for centuries, that demands the full time attention of 300,000 beavering away civil bloody servants? Can you? Start living in the real world. Nothing's happened yet, because the clowns still haven't got a clue!
Which means the catastrophe's still to come. And, come, it will. I see you have an enormous amount of insight into what civil servants do all day, courtesy of Richard Scarry, I pesume. So why not use it! (It stood me in good stead.) |
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Post by alancalverd on Oct 25, 2017 8:46:58 GMT 1
The cracks are beginning to show. Bertie Ahern, Channel 4 news last night, was trying hard not to look desperate about the Irish border. About 70% of Irish trade is export to the UK, not just food but a lot of hi-tech products and software, and of course highly skilled professionals and seasonal migrants.
The free movement of people across the border was never a problem thanks to the British refusal to accept Irish independence as political fact, and Irish realpolitik accepting that history, genetics and wage remittances aren't bound by lines on a map. But thanks to the EU there is currently no distinction between Irish and other nationals, so it has been made into a problem. Not the UK's problem since we, as an independent nation, can in principle reinstate passport control. Indeed that would be no more than a quid pro quo as air and sea travellers need a passport to enter the Republic from the UK, but anyone with a ticket from Dublin can walk out through Stansted unchecked. But a small pain in the arse for Ireland if non-Irish truck and taxi drivers need a visa.
Movement of goods shouldn't be a physical problem. Vehicles are tracked over toll bridges and through the London charging zone without stopping. Air and sea cargo manifests already fly around the internet ahead of the vehicles, so customs duties are levied automatically and the occasional spot check seems an adequate deterrent to cheating. The problem for Ireland, and by extension the rest of Europe, is that these goods will now be competing at world prices, with no tariff protection.
Indeed, it is time the clowns got their their act together, stopped talking about nonsensical divorce bills and punishment, and started worrying about their biggest customer walking out of the shop.
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Post by jean on Oct 25, 2017 9:04:52 GMT 1
And somehow this is all the fault of the EU, rather than a problem entirely of our own making?
Extraordinary reasoning.
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Post by alancalverd on Oct 25, 2017 12:10:06 GMT 1
Not the fault of the EU, but their problem, since the remaining 27 countries stand to lose our custom.
Not a problem for the UK, since we already have protected borders with every country except the Irish Republic, and tariff structures for 60% of our international trade.
From time to time I work in Belarus on projects involving American-designed components manufactured in China, British and German electronics, and Hungarian heavy electricals, all assembled in a mechanical rig built in Minsk then exported worldwide via our test facility (testing to a US specification) in Hull. No problem dealing with visas, suppliers, shipping agents, and customers in UK, Australia, Africa and Asia, compared with the pain of trying to sell anything in France.
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Post by mrsonde on Oct 27, 2017 6:21:45 GMT 1
You said, ... So much for Aqua's hopeful scenario that Brexit would absorb everybody's time. [I have to do this like this, as mrsonde's quotes don't seem to conform.)Really, is that so? Factual. Explain to us then what is so complicated about returning to how this country ran itself in 1972, as it had done for centuries, that demands the full time attention of 300,000 beavering away civil bloody servants? Can you? Start living in the real world. Nothing's happened yet, because the clowns still haven't got a clue! What hasn't happened yet is the deep recession, catastrophic run on the pound, and complete collapse of foreign investment that the Remain side were all promising us would inevitably and immediately happen should we vote to leave. And what "clowns"? And what "clue" are you looking for? There's no mystery here! It'll either be trade on WTO rules, or some minor modifications of them: what other outcome could there possibly be? In neither case is there a problem. I keep asking you: what "catastrophe"??! What is it that you're expecting? As usual, you refuse to answer, except for saying you're not interested in economic consequences and the "disaster" you foresee is civil servants having some work to do. You must have missed it the first time: Don't start crowing about your bloody pension again! |
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Post by mrsonde on Oct 27, 2017 6:39:17 GMT 1
Not the fault of the EU, but their problem, since the remaining 27 countries stand to lose our custom. Not a problem for the UK, since we already have protected borders with every country except the Irish Republic, and tariff structures for 60% of our international trade. From time to time I work in Belarus on projects involving American-designed components manufactured in China, British and German electronics, and Hungarian heavy electricals, all assembled in a mechanical rig built in Minsk then exported worldwide via our test facility (testing to a US specification) in Hull. No problem dealing with visas, suppliers, shipping agents, and customers in UK, Australia, Africa and Asia, compared with the pain of trying to sell anything in France. Dyson - probably our biggest individual exporter, anywhere in the world - makes exactly the same point, So does Digby Jones, amongst a wide range of other business leaders - real business people, people who actually make and sell things, rather than idiotic bigmouths like Alastair Campbell, who is so woefully ignorant about economics that he genuinely believed Britain had built and put into orbit in the 1970s the International Space Station! WTO tariffs are not a problem, for anyone. They don't need customs inspections to operate smoothly - the US inspects about one tenth of one percent of every container arriving in its ports, and they're looking for drugs, not checking on duties. I doubt whether we're any more anal about it. How could any business evade paying legal tariffs without exposing themselves to a tax fraud case - they'd get caught, inevitably. So, there is no Irish border problem, however it's eventually solved (the simplest solution is just to say, carry on as before, inter-Irish trade is free of tariffs, either for domestic goods and services or for those from the EU or the rest of the UK. The only change will be if goods from the EU are imported into Ireland and are then exported to Britain, or from Britain and then exported to the EU - in which case tariffs will be applied. The only people who could possibly object to this simple and trouble-free arrangement would be the EU, annoyed that one of their problems had disappeared - in which case, they've got a major dispute with Eire, not us. |
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Post by mrsonde on Oct 27, 2017 8:04:52 GMT 1
This evening I called my best friend a fat bitch. She wagged her tail and went off to drink from the toilet. You don't mean...you can't mean... |
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Post by mrsonde on Oct 27, 2017 8:39:39 GMT 1
That reminds me, the French may be potty on the roads but in other ways...vive la difference! Diane Abbott, shadow Home Sec:  Aurelie Filipetti, Minister of Culture:  Natalie Bennett, Green Party leader:  Cecile Duflot, Green Party leader:  Justine Greening, Minister of Education:  Najat Bekacem, Minister of Education:  Amber Rudd, Home Sec:  Rachida Dati, Minister of Justice:  Ruth Kelly, Minister of Transport  Nathalie Morizet, Minister of Transport:  Margaret Beckett, Minister of Environment:  Segolene Royal, Minister of Environment:  Teresa May, your inspirational leader:  Anne Hidalgo, Mayor of Paris:  Caroline Spelman, Minister of Environment:  Delphine Batho, Minister of Environment:  |
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