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Post by Progenitor A on Nov 29, 2010 14:45:46 GMT 1
All I think it will do is re-inforce her belief that this board is not and never has been a place for serious scientific debate. Well jonjel, you may be just arse-ing around with science with your measly 56 postings, but speaking for myself, I do take science very seriously and ask serious questions that are normally answered with a mixture of dogma and insult
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Post by jonjel on Nov 29, 2010 15:11:33 GMT 1
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Post by nickcosmosonde on Nov 29, 2010 18:55:25 GMT 1
I think it's absurd to ban any contributor from a proboard. I can only ever think of one contributor I've ever come across where this might be justified, where he was posting private emails to embarrass a fellow poster whom he'd been dumped by.
The general prevalence of personal abuse and childish "you don't understand science" level of debate is regrettable, but hardly warranting of censorship. Reasoned debate is the only way to redress the arrogance and inappropriate tactics of such people. Facts, logical rigour, alternative theories - these should be the response to such clearly insecure and irrational behaviour. As well as a healthy measure of tolerance and patience and understanding - it's a sad but inescapable fact that psychological faiblesse such as this, and other displays of quasi-autistic behaviour, are part of the occupational background of the professional scientist. That is, it's because they have such poor interpersonal skills and such fragile egos that they became scientists in the first place. Those of a more balanced personality profile should treat them as petulant teens, and give them the benefit of their superior wisdom.
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Post by Joanne Byers on Nov 30, 2010 11:05:14 GMT 1
Helen was warned twice to stop persistent needling and that if she (and enquirer) did not mend their ways and board manners they would be banned.
Helen's two parting posts were to describe the board admin as "T*ats" and to tell us to "Fu*k Off". I don't know what jonjel thinks of such board manners but they certainly fall into my understanding of "departing in a huff" and that is stating it mildly. It was AFTER this display of petulance and contempt that Helen was banned for a month. She will have to cool her heels for a while, that's all. No persecution, no malice, just a reprimand for a naughty girl who persists in anti-social behaviour after receiving polite requests to desist.
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Post by jonjel on Nov 30, 2010 12:00:11 GMT 1
I was not going to reply to this Joanne, but in the light of what you said I took the trouble to trawl through Helen's last few postings.
She did indeed say F*** you, but it is by no means clear if tat was directed at you, or in general at one or two who were deliberately winding her up and it seems misquoting her. I agree, not very polite and not acceptable. I could find no reference to her calling you tarts.
I have had people on other boards be disgustingly rude to me but only once have I ever reported someone to the mods, and tat was for blatantly racist remarks made about someone else.
We all hide behind the cloak of anonymity, so why be offended by someone you don't know and are never likely to meet. The only difference between Helen and many others is, we might think inwardly that this or that person is a complete t***ser, and she spells it out!
Apart from her outburst she seems to have had quite a lot to offer, and if after she comes out of the 'cooler' she decides not to bother here, well I think that would be more than understandable. I still think it is a step too far that somehow you have sourced her IP address and banned her even as a visitor so she is unable to even read what others write, even if banned from contributing.
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Post by abacus9900 on Nov 30, 2010 13:29:41 GMT 1
jonjel, why are earth are you condoning such unacceptable language? We may all have felt like expressing such language at one time or another but most of us are able to control ourselves and if you allow the level of discussion to descend to exchanging profane language then rational debate disappears.
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Post by jonjel on Dec 1, 2010 10:39:57 GMT 1
Abacus.
If you read what I said I did not condone it, and I agree, there are better ways of expressing oneself.
Time to move down the bus on this one I think...
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 1, 2010 10:44:54 GMT 1
Abacus. If you read what I said I did not condone it, and I agree, there are better ways of expressing oneself. Time to move down the bus on this one I think... Yes, let us hope we can all learn the lessons from this incident and move on.
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Post by alanseago on Dec 1, 2010 14:30:11 GMT 1
I have been pursued around the boards by one poster who spat insult after insult at me. If I responded he would run to admin and complain. I tolerated this until he threatened to "seduce" my seven-year-old granddaughter.When I protested he threatened to sue me for libel. He eventually slunk away, apparently chastened.
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 1, 2010 15:02:54 GMT 1
I have been pursued around the boards by one poster who spat insult after insult at me. If I responded he would run to admin and complain. I tolerated this until he threatened to "seduce" my seven-year-old granddaughter.When I protested he threatened to sue me for libel. He eventually slunk away, apparently chastened. Yes, I'm afraid wonderful though the net is, you are inevitably going to attract a minority of sad people in need of help.
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Post by jonjel on Dec 1, 2010 15:05:04 GMT 1
That sends a chill down my spine Alan. I can not print what I would do to such an individual should I ever nail him. Slowly though.
And despite the transgressions of Helen I still think that to send her to Coventry for a month to the extent she is unable to even read this board is absurd and smacks of someone being vindictive.
Shades of Monty Python. You have been a naughty girl. You have been a very very naughty girl.....
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 1, 2010 17:29:28 GMT 1
Tough love?
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Post by mercury on Dec 2, 2010 4:21:48 GMT 1
I have been pursued around the boards by one poster who spat insult after insult at me. If I responded he would run to admin and complain. I tolerated this until he threatened to "seduce" my seven-year-old granddaughter.When I protested he threatened to sue me for libel. He eventually slunk away, apparently chastened. oh no you dont, alanseago. don't start that nonsense again. it is simply not true and you know it. i was an observer to the incident you speak of and it came out in the open that you already knew that your grand daughter had not been threatened at all when you you made that most vile allegation against the poster you speak of. i have in fact observed that it is you who is doing the stalking and needling, not the other way around as you claim.. i urge that the moderator keep an eye on what is going on here and nip this before it develops into something really rather nasty as i have witnessed on another board.
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Post by alanseago on Dec 2, 2010 4:56:11 GMT 1
As I stalked him onto this board?
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Post by StuartG on Dec 3, 2010 18:16:11 GMT 1
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