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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 5, 2011 11:06:16 GMT 1
Paul Hudson, the weatherman with a bit of integrity says here www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2011/01/december-2010-update-second-co.shtml"Met Office provisional figures show that December 2010 with a mean CET temperature of -0.7C was the second coldest since records began in 1659, beaten only by December 1890 which had a mean of -0.8C. The diagram below shows how the month ranks with other cold Decembers, a truly memorable month climatologically." PAWB46 commented "These are only provisional figures. The Met Office have yet to homogenise/adjust the data for cold biases in the thermometers. You know the kind of thing - some of the thermometers were buried in snow which insulated them fom the very warm air which was just above the snow! In fact I remember it was so warm above the snow that people were building snowmen wearing shorts and t-shirts. In a couple of years time the temperatures will have been adjusted so that December 2010 was the second warmest since records began in 1659." Cheeky wag!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 5, 2011 15:56:56 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12117729The Bishop notes the BBC's coverage of the Big freeze in Guizhou Jan 5, 2011 and adds his own take: "Freezing temperatures in south-western China have forced the evacuation of 58,000 people from their homes, according to the Chinese authorities. Ice and snow have closed roads, leaving thousands of motorists stranded. This is all happening in Guizhou province, which I visited in the 1990s. Guizhou is subtropical - right down on the border with Vietnam - so this must be pretty unusual." I'll say! But probably just another milestone to get by on the inexorable route to a warmer world, eh, abacus?
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Post by helen on Jan 5, 2011 16:17:33 GMT 1
Hi Mary. I'm back. You are cherry picking weather events. What about the huge warming in northern Canada and the south Atlantic? What say you?
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Post by helen on Jan 5, 2011 16:24:33 GMT 1
You are aware of the fact that as huge amounts of cold air move south from the arctic, as is happening this winter then something must move in to replace it? That this might be warm air? What do you suppose that does to the the Arctic environment? Come on Mary. Let's have some some science not just pastes from Robert Watt!
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Post by helen on Jan 5, 2011 16:28:10 GMT 1
I have to add for those who care little for science. Warm air means air warmer than that it replaces so it can still be -25° if it is warmer than -35°C!
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Post by jonjel on Jan 5, 2011 16:34:41 GMT 1
Welcome back Helen, and long may your cold air replace some of the hot air I have read on this board!
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 5, 2011 16:42:59 GMT 1
Welcome back helen, darling. Still cherry picking "evidence" I see. What's all the panic about a few warm regions? Don't you know about polar high pressures? On the western side (in the northern hemisphere) you get a flow of warm southern air while on the eastern side of the pressure system you get frigid polar air descending on the poor unfortunates in it's path. I wish I was in the warm region. Oops, not supposed to say that - warm is bad while feckin freezing is good in your mixed up world.
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Post by helen on Jan 5, 2011 16:45:23 GMT 1
It's weather R Smith and you're talking bollix just to wind me up. Hi Jonjel.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 5, 2011 16:47:50 GMT 1
Have your idealogues found a human signal in the changing climate yet, helen darling?
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 5, 2011 16:50:39 GMT 1
It's weather R Smith and you're talking bollix just to wind me up. Hi Jonjel. Of course the unbelievable cold we've been experiencing is just weather while your warm bits are obviously caused by human induced catastrophic global warming. Death! Despair! The end is nigh!
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Post by abacus9900 on Jan 5, 2011 17:07:54 GMT 1
It's weather R Smith and you're talking bollix just to wind me up. Hi Jonjel. Of course the unbelievable cold we've been experiencing is just weather while your warm bits are obviously caused by human induced catastrophic global warming. Death! Despair! The end is nigh! The trouble with you AGW skeptics is that you seize on anything that appears to support your case, even if taken completely out of context, which is what you are doing by citing the current very cold weather we are experiencing. Please try to look at the more general picture.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 5, 2011 17:19:35 GMT 1
Of course the unbelievable cold we've been experiencing is just weather while your warm bits are obviously caused by human induced catastrophic global warming. Death! Despair! The end is nigh! The trouble with you AGW skeptics is that you seize on anything that appears to support your case, even if taken completely out of context, which is what you are doing by citing the current very cold weather we are experiencing. Please try to look at the more general picture. Nope, quite wrong old sausage. I've never said current weather, hot or cold means much. Four frigid winters and four crappy summers in a row could show a trend though. All part of the natural cycle; a hypothesis which hasn't been disproven despite decades of work and billions spent by the warmist sect.
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Post by abacus9900 on Jan 5, 2011 20:44:19 GMT 1
The trouble with you AGW skeptics is that you seize on anything that appears to support your case, even if taken completely out of context, which is what you are doing by citing the current very cold weather we are experiencing. Please try to look at the more general picture. Nope, quite wrong old sausage. I've never said current weather, hot or cold means much. Four frigid winters and four crappy summers in a row could show a trend though. All part of the natural cycle; a hypothesis which hasn't been disproven despite decades of work and billions spent by the warmist sect. rsmith7, I had hoped that by now you would have understood that scientists never seek to 'prove' anything but to present what evidence they can to lend support to this or that hypothesis. So when you say the natural cycle hasn't been disproven you are quite right but are wrong to think that the weight of evidence indicates this. This is not in the same category as a mathematical proof, for example, which is a different situation.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 5, 2011 21:04:42 GMT 1
Nope, quite wrong old sausage. I've never said current weather, hot or cold means much. Four frigid winters and four crappy summers in a row could show a trend though. All part of the natural cycle; a hypothesis which hasn't been disproven despite decades of work and billions spent by the warmist sect. rsmith7, I had hoped that by now you would have understood that scientists never seek to 'prove' anything but to present what evidence they can to lend support to this or that hypothesis. So when you say the natural cycle hasn't been disproven you are quite right but are wrong to think that the weight of evidence indicates this. This is not in the same category as a mathematical proof, for example, which is a different situation. But the warmists haven't ANY evidence of human signal in climate change. What is the "weight" of zero evidence abacus?
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Post by abacus9900 on Jan 5, 2011 21:34:56 GMT 1
rsmith7, I had hoped that by now you would have understood that scientists never seek to 'prove' anything but to present what evidence they can to lend support to this or that hypothesis. So when you say the natural cycle hasn't been disproven you are quite right but are wrong to think that the weight of evidence indicates this. This is not in the same category as a mathematical proof, for example, which is a different situation. But the warmists haven't ANY evidence of human signal in climate change. What is the "weight" of zero evidence abacus? If you refuse to examine the evidence impartially and visit dodgy websites that are biased then you will never gain an accurate picture of what is occurring to our climate. You should also avoid taking seriously what people like marchesorosa try to con us into thinking because you will become further confused and misinformed. Have a look at this website which provides accurate scientific information about global warming: www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/
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