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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 8, 2010 13:52:22 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 8, 2010 14:01:54 GMT 1
Here’s an animation showing the cooling consequent upon the passage of hurricanes Danielle and Earl wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/danielle_earl_sst_anim.gif"You can see the cool tracks in the last frame. Note also the large and growing La Niña off the west coast of South America. It’s turning deep purple and on to black." "A typical hurricane has something on the order of 6.0 x 10^14 Watts per day just in condensation updraft, dumping heat 8 miles into the upper troposphere."
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Post by lazarus on Sept 9, 2010 1:40:17 GMT 1
Did you know that hurricanes were part of the earth's mechanism for cooling itself? The surplus heat which causes them to form in the first place also results in the dissipation of said heat. You could almost describe it as a thermostat. How do they cool? Where does the dissipated heat go? How does it act as a thermostat? According to your link they are referred to 'heat transporters' and to be honest I'd rather hurricanes weren't transporting any heat around me!
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 14, 2010 17:05:41 GMT 1
There is a good discussion on Hurricanes happening now on Prof Judith Curry's new blog here judithcurry.com/2010/09/13/hurricanes-and-global-warming-5-years-post-katrina/#more-27Lazarus will be happy to note that his old friend Ryan Maue - the surfer with the gorgeous smile and physique, plus the big brain and understanding of the ACE - is also participating! I'm afraid Lazarus may be a bit out of his depth (geddit?) though. The dog paddle in the shallows might just keep him out of trouble, though. Attaboy, then, Lazarus, get in there and splash around with the big boys and girls. Strut your stuff there, man! We're watching! Lazarus has cause to remember this graph.
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 14, 2010 18:04:43 GMT 1
I would repeat that lay people like me learn far more from the exchange of views now going on on Judith Curry's blog than from simply reading the science papers as advocated by Lazarus.
Such discussions give one a very quick leg up the ladder of understanding! Nothing about climate science is abstruse. It is accessible to anyone with an interest and a modicum of intelligence.
Well done, Prof Curry, for joining the internet climate debate.
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Post by lazarus on Sept 15, 2010 18:20:15 GMT 1
Lazarus has cause to remember this graph. And I have no problem with the graph. The problem I did have was that you were using it to claim something that was not represented by it.
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 8, 2010 12:18:33 GMT 1
Latest from Ryan Maue (who I lust after!) Dr. Ryan N. Maue’s 2010 Global Tropical Cyclone Activity Updatewattsupwiththat.com/With the 2010 North Atlantic hurricane season winding down without a United States hurricane landfall, Drudge posted a headline suggesting that the seasonal hurricane forecasters blew it. Indeed, he has written this headline for 4-years in a row now by linking to my Florida State University website. While the number of storms has been accurately predicted by the soothsayers (including Rush Limbaugh), the lack of impact upon the US mainland has left many wondering: is this it? While the North Atlantic sees ~10 storms per year, the annual global total is 80 to 90! So, how is the rest of the globe doing in terms of tropical cyclone (TC) activity? Absolutely cratering — and in in the Western North Pacific typhoon basin, at historical lows. Indeed, with the Earth undergoing Global Climate Disruption, natural climate variability has played the ultimate trump card and left global TC activity at 33-year lows!....... More on WUWT More here www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/Can this be the "Climate Disruption" (but in reverse) we have been promised as a result of Anthropogenic Global Warming?
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Post by principled on Oct 8, 2010 14:41:44 GMT 1
Marchesa, where did you get my picture from? I'm afraid you'll have to lust away, everyone knows I'm married to my work! P
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Post by helen on Oct 8, 2010 15:48:27 GMT 1
This thread is just a piece of crap, srawmen presented as scientists. All weather phenomenon and atmospheric processes distribute energy throughout the atmosphere and whilst it's interaction with the Earth and the oceans is complex it is perfectly natural. Natural processes are changing (and this is recorded) as consequences of unnatural additions to the environment over a relative short period of time. What is the point of this thread?
I rather get the feeling that most of the people who have a problem with the fact that most folk who have issues with climate change are are aged, wealthy and selfish, the science presented is a spurious front.....just a thought.
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 8, 2010 17:29:02 GMT 1
Oh, principled! Oh, oh, oh! I will think of you in a different light henceforward.
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 8, 2010 17:34:21 GMT 1
"most folk who have issues with climate change are are aged, wealthy and selfish, the science presented is a spurious front"
I guess you think the glorious Ryan has been knobbled by some wrong thinkers, then, helen? He should be expelled from FSU, or even splattered as promoted by 10:10, I suppose. That would be such a shame!
Alternatively, you could tell us why he is wrong, helen.
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Post by chloepink on Oct 8, 2010 17:37:36 GMT 1
Helen, Feeling the way you do about this thread, perhaps you'll leave it alone and attend to the Humble Pie thread where you have to date failed to answer question 88, a question that only arose because you claimed to know the answer, so you were asked what the answer was i.e. 'in your view, what point did the sixth formers 'get' from the 1010 film?'.
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Post by helen on Oct 8, 2010 18:36:51 GMT 1
It seems to me that what ever argument I present you will have something to answer contrary to it. these arguments seem to stem from a misunderstanding of basic science (I don't want to sound too disparaging but did you spend your time at the back of your science classes spilling liquids, talking about boys and pop music and pouring stuff in other folks pockets? It is up to you, as the argument was presented by your cohort, what the bloody point is that you are trying to make? ) Could it be that tropical storms are part of the system of global atmospheric energy distribution? Whoopie do, Nobel Prize coming your way d'you expect? Forget about the age old notes of folk like Fitzroy and Bjerknes
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 8, 2010 22:33:40 GMT 1
All of a sudden, warmists are discovering "natural variation" after telling us that the only relevant variable in so-called "climate change" (call that "climate disruption" now) is CO2. We're now supposed to believe that AGW is the result of a little bit of extra CO2 icing on the NORMAL warming cake, are we? Sorry. If you admit ANY warming is "normal" or "natural" you might as well give up on CO2 as the "driver". For years the IPCC zealots have been claiming hurricanes had increased because of global warming but they have searched in vain for the anthropogenic "signature". Hurricanes have not increased. And now even the WMO "consensus review" of warmists and sceptics alike agree that it cannot be found. The weather may or may not have warmed a bit because of being in the warm phase of the PDO. What's to worry about, helen? See Roger Pielke's blog for the details of the World Meteorological Organisation Review paper entitled "Tropical cyclones and climate change" by Thomas R. Knutson, John L. McBride, Johnny Chan, Kerry Emanuel, Greg Holland, Chris Landsea, Isaac Held, James P. Kossin, A. K. Srivastava & Masato Sugi, here rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/02/updated-wmo-consensus-perspective-on.html
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 21, 2010 20:22:02 GMT 1
Sunday, Nov. 21, 2010 2010 typhoon tally may be lowest on recordKyodo News The number of typhoons this year could turn out to be the lowest on record, which experts theorize could be a result of the El Nino phenomenon lasting until this spring and the summer's powerful high-pressure system in the Pacific. As of Saturday, 14 typhoons — tropical cyclones generated in the Northwest Pacific or the South China Sea north of the equator with a minimum wind velocity of 61.9 kph — have been spawned this year. The Meteorological Agency, which has been keeping statistics on typhoons since 1951, said the lowest number — 16 — was in 1998. The average per year between 1971 and 2000 was 26.7, while the most on record is 39 in 1967. Typhoons can cause floods and other types of damage, but they also contribute to securing water resources. The sea east of the Philippines is the chief generation zone for typhoons. Usually, 15 to 16 develop in the area each year, but there have been only five so far this year. The agency believes the well-developed Pacific high that brought this summer's heat wave has weakened the atmosphere's convective activity in the sea, nipping the development of rain clouds, which help produce typhoons. El Nino can similarly work to dampen the air's convective activity in the sea near the Philippines, and the latest phenomenon is believed to have contributed to decreasing the number of typhoons this year, agency officials said. Simulations run by the agency show that progress in global warming will reduce the number of typhoons but make each one more intense. Courtesy of search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20101121a5.htmlFigure: Year-to-Date (November 21) Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE; units: 104 knots2) for the Northern Hemisphere as a whole (top blue time series) and for the combination of the Western North Pacific (WPAC), Eastern North Pacific (EPAC), and Northern Indian (NIO) basins (bottom red time series). The difference between the two lines is therefore the contribution of the North Atlantic hurricane basin. Ryan Maue says: “The agency should have stopped when they were ahead and not mentioned global warming during a historically quiet Typhoon season. Their explanation must have been lost in the translation because almost everyone has noticed that there has been a rapidly developing and intense La Nina during the summer and fall of 2010. Put very simply, the previous historically quiet Typhoon seasons in the Western Pacific basin are usually associated with La Nina. Global ACE is still near 33-year lows, and shows no signs of picking up anytime soon.”
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