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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 2:17:18 GMT 1
Oh dear. So you've never given it any thought. I've paid for your "contributions", and millions of others like you. I've done so because not to have done would have meant imprisonment. I don't see any evidence of your "contribution" other than the fact you've had a very comfortable life out of my extorted taxes. You get affronted when I ask what your "contribution" was. I'd like to say, well fuck you m'lord, find someone else to paratisise - but I'm imprisoned here, in your system, and I have to keep paying for you.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 2:19:18 GMT 1
Hey, calm down. I'm all for truth, nothing but. I'm totally calm. The truth is on my side.
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Post by aquacultured on Feb 22, 2018 2:31:47 GMT 1
Well, get some therapy then. Unless that's what you're doing here.
Just campaign against all public services: health, education, social care, beard-trimming, etc.
They're all bastards, until you need them.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 2:46:00 GMT 1
Well, get some therapy then. Unless that's what you're doing here. You wanna try some civilised debate for a change, counsellor? You might find personally abusing people wears a bit thin, and people stop using the board? The old "I'm like a nurse who mends your broken ankle" argument? Well, here's a hundred quid to truss up my broken ankle, thanks, and keep your latin lesson while you're about it. The difference is no one does need you, or Jean. No one would have paid for your services freely. Would they? No.
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Post by aquacultured on Feb 22, 2018 2:49:32 GMT 1
Pathetic.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 2:58:14 GMT 1
That's your response? All you can muster? As I said, you can't survive this opening up of the exchange of argument. Your authoritarian ground has been swept away, and you're left agape. It'll take a few more decades, but your whole means of justifying your existence is dying, by the very means you so ineffectually try to defend it.
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Post by fascinating on Feb 22, 2018 8:48:47 GMT 1
Yes, on this messageboard. No, they couldn't, actually. What difference does that make? The point is - you didn;t pay for them. Unless you chose to, of course, in which case you;d be the proud owner of some books, or some games, or some clothes, or perhaps a house, which you;d freely entered into an agreement to buy. But you're not forced to work to pay for that activity, are you? At the threat of imprisonment and confiscation of your belongings. You can buy my goods if you want them or buy them elsewhere if you prefer their offerings - and that's how things get better, see? mrsonde previously said "Fisrtly, I've been totally open about what I've done in my life - no secret or silence about it whatsoever. " Silence about what he has been doing for work however. He mentions books - but as to what book, silence. It's his right to be silent, but he can't claim that he has not been silent.
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2018 9:40:57 GMT 1
Books, games, clothes, houses, he now says - but none of the sort of details which would enable us to judge whether they were crap like the stuff sold by Gerald Ratner. which was ok because (according to Nick) everybody knew they were buying crap.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 9:59:18 GMT 1
mrsonde previously said "Fisrtly, I've been totally open about what I've done in my life - no secret or silence about it whatsoever. " Silence about what he has been doing for work however. Ffs! What "silence"??! I think I must have laid out my whole effin CV on this board by now! I don't blame you or anyone else for not paying attention - why would you care? But there's been no "silence" about it. You want me to run through it all. again? I'e sold hundreds of books, and I've told you when, where, and how, and even which firms published them. Or you want to know what books I've actually published myself? Why? Don't tell me you want to read them! Early in our acquaintance I answered a pm from you with a recommendation of a philosophy text, in response to a query I erroneously took to be in good faith. Did you actually read that book? If by the wildest chance (I know you didn't, because you still keep repeating the same primitive mistakes) you did, I'll give you a further reading list. I do so claim.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 22, 2018 10:06:01 GMT 1
Books, games, clothes, houses, he now says I've always so said. I've told you - I don't give a damn about your judgement. Firstly, I know it's almost certainly faulty, as it always has been whenever you've deigned to pass it about people's creative work. You're tone deaf, and as is immediately evident to anyone, from the appalling texts you believe worth linking to if not from your own, you're completely intellectually incompetent to discern quality, even from a neutral ratiocinative viewpoint. Secondly, it's not the issue in question, and as far as I can recall it never has been. The Ratner question - you're seriously confused about that whole issue. You seem to believe for some reason that the "scandal", such as it was, was about his firm selling "crap", or fooling people into buying stuff they didn't know was "crap". I have no idea how you managed to extract that false impression from the story - you weren't educated adequately, presumably.
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2018 12:45:12 GMT 1
Oh dear. So you've never given it any thought. I've paid for your "contributions", and millions of others like you. I've done so because not to have done would have meant imprisonment. I don't see any evidence of your "contribution" other than the fact you've had a very comfortable life out of my extorted taxes. You get affronted when I ask what your "contribution" was. I'd like to say, well fuck you m'lord, find someone else to paratisise - but I'm imprisoned here, in your system, and I have to keep paying for you. The best response to that is a post of Alan's from some months ago, never answered. Mr S Assuming that you are an average Brit, you have had the services of the NHS continuously throughout your life, thanks to the program of vaccination of others, if not yourself, which has eliminated smallpox and controlled whooping cough, diphtheria, measles, mumps and tuberculosis to the point that you are unlikely to contract any of these potential killers from others. Even if you have a private water supply and sewage system, every time you interact with the rest of us you enjoy the legacy of public servants who eliminated cholera. The fact that you are reading this in English rather than German (or indeed at all) is attributable to the actions of a publicly-funded military supported by those awful civil servants who invent and purchase weapons and uniforms, and pay the army. Can you see out of your windows? Only because some bloody interfering overpaid featherbedded public servant has advised a planning committee not to allow Der Trumpenfuhrer to build a hotel next to your garden fence, or to drive a road through your living room. Indeed the very existence of a private property boundary (unless you have your own army) depends on those damned busybodies at the Land Registry. It's a sore point these days, but the reason your house hasn't caught fire may well be because the one next door was built to standards enforced by the people you despise. Presumably whatever rubbish you can't commit to this forum, you burn. Or do you perhaps expect some fat cat to turn up in an overpriced truck and empty your dustbin before collecting his pension? I could go on, but it's time to piss away my inflationproofed pension. However as I earned it by working both directly and indirectly for the NHS, I will make a note of your distaste for the public sector and do my best to ensure that you are not beholden to its services in future.
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2018 13:55:12 GMT 1
The Ratner question - you're seriously confused about that whole issue. You seem to believe for some reason that the "scandal", such as it was, was about his firm selling "crap", or fooling people into buying stuff they didn't know was "crap". That's exactly what it was about. People who really couldn't tell the difference between cut crystal and moulded glass thought they were buying luxury, and getting a bargain. It was very foolish of Ratner to tell them the truth. They would have been happier, and he would have been even richer, if they'd never found out. I don't suppose you make the same mistake.
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2018 14:01:59 GMT 1
I've sold hundreds of books, and I've told you when, where, and how, and even which firms published them. Oh yes, you were a salesman for those rather pretty but overpriced travel books, wasn't that it?That's more like it! Why not start with that book of amusing quotes from Alzheimer's patients. Even if the profits from that one went to charity, we'll get some idea of the sort of thing you would put your name to.
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2018 15:11:43 GMT 1
These days, less and less. No - it had disappeared almost completely from the State sector by the 1980s, and in fact has had something of a revival since then. You're a bit out of touch. It was dropped because the lefty-liberals you so despise thought it elitist for comprehensive schools to offer difficult subjects not everyone could excel in. I think you'll find that the teaching of Latin (and Greek) is very much part of the appeal of these establishments. Otherwise why would they continue to teach it, and make a point of it in their prospectuses? If the parents - who are paying, remember - didn't see some value in it, it would quickly disappear.
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Post by mrsonde on Feb 24, 2018 1:07:07 GMT 1
It wasn't answered because I never saw it. But here we go, it's totally standard public servant bollox.
Assuming i was an average Yank, or European for that matter, I'd have been enjoining the same benefit. In any way, I'd have paid for it. You understand this basic fact of the universe?
I did have a private water supply, once, and sewage system, and fought a legal case for three years against Welsh Water who claimed they owned the rain - but shall we leave that aside, unless you want to pursue it? Your wider point - public servants did not, in actual fact, eliminate cholera. I mean, if facts matter at all? This is the same old weary argument - sweet little self-sacrificing nurses sometimes ease your wounds, so we should be allowed to extract whatever taxes we want to expand our influence, because it must be good for you. And if it isn't good for you, it's good for those poor people who you should be caring for anyway?
Yes - that's the other weary argument. And prisons, and customs, and tax collectors. don't forget.
Law. You want to claim Law as an exclusive product of your political ideology now. How about sex?
I would assume I'd be paying for him, and all the rest, because that's another unfortunate fact undermining your sophistry.
Good. Remit the reciprocal funding to my pension that I'm forced to make to yours, and we might be talking on the same playing field.
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