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Post by aquacultured on Jun 3, 2018 23:45:19 GMT 1
mrsonde has a double standard when it comes to insults. If I've sometimes responded to what he's said by silly, he's likely to say it's abuse, and refer to my worming Devon donkeys for a living.
He may need to calm down.
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Post by alancalverd on Jun 4, 2018 9:29:22 GMT 1
mrsonde has a double standard when it comes to insults. If I've sometimes responded to what he's said by silly, he's likely to say it's abuse, and refer to my worming Devon donkeys for a living. An entirely honorable and useful profession. Though some on this board may not understand the adjectives.
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 8, 2018 18:59:37 GMT 1
No - they don't, at all. Your imagination inventing things out of nothing again, like when you connect a battery and create all those photons.
You did, but I'm not whining - I don't care how insulting you are. Merely pointing out your hypocrisy.
Who cares? Marchesa is the moderator here, and she doesn't care either, Louise.
Nothing wrong with diagreement - what makes you so repulsive is you disagree for the sake of it, as a knee-jerk response, and then don't even have the sense or wit to offer a reason why. You're a troll, basically, like Aqua. Sounding off because you like the sound of your own voice.
The difference between us is that I give reasons for my disagreements. I'm also a lot better at being disagreeable than you. I know, don't, it's just a God-given talent.
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 8, 2018 20:02:53 GMT 1
You and Jean. You are reliably disagreeable. It's a fact. You might find it an insult, but all the facts about you are insults. What a fantastic way of giving yourself permission to insult as much as you like with complete impunity! Impunity? Wtf are you wittering on about now? I've told you both, many times. I can and will insult you, in kind. I'd prefer not to, I'd prefer to have a rational debate, because unlike you I have an adequate intelligence and the communication skills not to need to. But it doesn't bother me in the least, either way, especially with incompetent weedy pushovers like you two.
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 8, 2018 20:12:20 GMT 1
mrsonde has a double standard when it comes to insults. If I've sometimes responded to what he's said by silly, he's likely to say it's abuse, and refer to my worming Devon donkeys for a living. He may need to calm down. Think of me as an old-fashioned careers adviser, old chap - I was merely trying to guess what your talents, knowledge, and experience might suit you for, given your moans that you weren't rewarded enough for your so far demonstrated achievements from my and other working persons' taxes. Clearly, you're a bit short on the reasoning abilities side - not too clever at communicating whatever thoughts you might have bubbling away in yer noggin. You're able to point and repeat something basic like "Clowns! Clowns! Over there! Clowns in our village!", your pitchfork in hand. Not too much energy, either, seeing as you can rarely summon up the reserves to spell even your habitual one-sentence posts in full - physical labour probably not your thing, as the mental. But clearly you like to have a bit of authority to throw around over us working folk, or else like Jean you wouldn't have ever gotten paid at all. It's a conundrum all right. You washed cars once, you say, as your one experience of extracting a wage for a service that at least one person might have wanted and have agreed to pay for...Devon...Donkeys, they're quite pliant, not too much resistence...You might find a few clients kind and caring enough to want them deworming... I think you should seriously consider it, young man. You might die having done something worthwhile and useful that someone was actually willing to pay for yet.
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Post by alancalverd on Jun 8, 2018 21:43:48 GMT 1
Equine veterinary studies are somewhat longer and more complicated than human medicine. Unlike your local GP, an equine vet has to do his own parasitology, and you can't just say "take two of these" to a donkey and expect a useful response.
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Post by aquacultured on Jun 9, 2018 0:16:10 GMT 1
mrsonde has a double standard when it comes to insults. If I've sometimes responded to what he's said by silly, he's likely to say it's abuse, and refer to my worming Devon donkeys for a living. He may need to calm down. Think of me as an old-fashioned careers adviser, old chap - I was merely trying to guess what your talents, knowledge, and experience might suit you for, given your moans that you weren't rewarded enough for your so far demonstrated achievements from my and other working persons' taxes. Clearly, you're a bit short on the reasoning abilities side - not too clever at communicating whatever thoughts you might have bubbling away in yer noggin. You're able to point and repeat something basic like "Clowns! Clowns! Over there! Clowns in our village!", your pitchfork in hand. Not too much energy, either, seeing as you can rarely summon up the reserves to spell even your habitual one-sentence posts in full - physical labour probably not your thing, as the mental. But clearly you like to have a bit of authority to throw around over us working folk, or else like Jean you wouldn't have ever gotten paid at all. It's a conundrum all right. You washed cars once, you say, as your one experience of extracting a wage for a service that at least one person might have wanted and have agreed to pay for...Devon...Donkeys, they're quite pliant, not too much resistence...You might find a few clients kind and caring enough to want them deworming... I think you should seriously consider it, young man. You might die having done something worthwhile and useful that someone was actually willing to pay for yet. What a load of tosh! You've used your conceit about me and my animal* neighbours several times. Obviously it's amusing, the first time. And stupid after that. As for my moans that 'you weren't rewarded enough for your so far demonstrated achievements from my and other working persons' taxes', you're deluded, not for the first time. You're the one who despises all public servants, even if for more than 10 years they've done their public service f.o.c., and didn't draw a pension. 'You washed cars once, you say, as your one experience of extracting a wage for a service that at least one person might have wanted and have agreed to pay for'. I've done loads of things once (ie, each one for months), as most people have. Your logic is crap. You, like MR, might pride yourself on being able to squirrel away half-remembered snippets, but to regurgitate them so nuttily makes you both ludicrous. * I have taken my grandchildren to nearby donkey sanctuaries, as that's what you do as a grandad. My main feeling is, why do donkey sanctuaries take up so much land and resources when kids are starving?
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 9, 2018 0:44:59 GMT 1
Equine veterinary studies are somewhat longer and more complicated than human medicine. Are they f#ck. In the same sense you're an expert in French, because you took an O level when it was worth something, I suppose. I knew there must have been a reason Aqua couldn't do it.
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 9, 2018 1:43:30 GMT 1
Think of me as an old-fashioned careers adviser, old chap - I was merely trying to guess what your talents, knowledge, and experience might suit you for, given your moans that you weren't rewarded enough for your so far demonstrated achievements from my and other working persons' taxes. Clearly, you're a bit short on the reasoning abilities side - not too clever at communicating whatever thoughts you might have bubbling away in yer noggin. You're able to point and repeat something basic like "Clowns! Clowns! Over there! Clowns in our village!", your pitchfork in hand. Not too much energy, either, seeing as you can rarely summon up the reserves to spell even your habitual one-sentence posts in full - physical labour probably not your thing, as the mental. But clearly you like to have a bit of authority to throw around over us working folk, or else like Jean you wouldn't have ever gotten paid at all. It's a conundrum all right. You washed cars once, you say, as your one experience of extracting a wage for a service that at least one person might have wanted and have agreed to pay for...Devon...Donkeys, they're quite pliant, not too much resistence...You might find a few clients kind and caring enough to want them deworming... I think you should seriously consider it, young man. You might die having done something worthwhile and useful that someone was actually willing to pay for yet. What a load of tosh! Oh, someone's woken him up. Christ - there's more! Get the defibrillator ready, nurse. The donkeys? Really, old chap, I had no idea they were so close. You're the one who mentioned it. I'm just responding, keeping your efforts at conversation going, before you nod off agin. "I don't have much of a pension, actually, much to my regret" etc etc Not really. Some of them - civil servants especially, it's true. And it's not them so much, as the system that tries to persuade us all that they're necessary, or doing a good and useful job for our benefit, and so deserve the ridiculous benefits they receive, thanks to the system of extortion they've imposed on us all down the centuries. It's all a grand con. You worked for 10 years plus as a civil servant free of charge, and no pension eever? Well, it's more credible than Jean's and Alan's tall tales of the past glories of the grammar school education system, I suppose, but even so, I've just gotta admit... I don't believe you, either. Not really - my facts are not exhaustive, perhaps, if you must insist on pedantic thoroughness. I've told you before, don't take it personally. It's not you I'm having a pop at - it's your whole rotten parasitic class. And all your readily regurgitated utterly predictable opinions that go with it, every one masquerading as "good for the country" but really only good for you. Yeah - there's one of such opinions in question. What have you ever done for starving kids, then? What you mean is: " we could organise these resources so much better, for our own (noble, naturally, and bugger the donkeys) purposes - and yes, we'll probably end up with a nice little extra, as ever with everything else we appropriate for everyone's good, but really, think of the poor beggars in Bongo=Bongo Land. When will people realise "we are one world" and people like me are the only ones superior enough to do what's best for them?" Look - this is revolting. Don't dare to bleat about your concerns for "starving kids" when you so vociferously support a thoroughly corrupt system like the EU, which has done more than any institution I can think of - including Imperialism - to ensure those kids continue starving, and the poor everywhere remain poor.
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Post by aquacultured on Jun 11, 2018 23:45:33 GMT 1
mrsonde: 'Look - this is revolting. Don't dare to bleat about your concerns for "starving kids" when you so vociferously support a thoroughly corrupt system like the EU, which has done more than any institution I can think of - including Imperialism - to ensure those kids continue starving, and the poor everywhere remain poor. '
I'm not daring or bleating.
And I'm not vociferously supporting the EU; but just saying it does much more good than harm.
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Post by mrsonde on Jun 12, 2018 5:04:24 GMT 1
mrsonde: ' Look - this is revolting. Don't dare to bleat about your concerns for "starving kids" when you so vociferously support a thoroughly corrupt system like the EU, which has done more than any institution I can think of - including Imperialism - to ensure those kids continue starving, and the poor everywhere remain poor. '
I'm not daring or bleating. Heard it all before - a well-worn tactic by the liberal-left, demonstrated beyond any question to be hollow and larcenous. Blair and Gordon Brown, Obama, and the Clintons, were merely the latest and most blatant perpetrators, so blase and complacent about the endless gullibility of people always ready to swallow these lies they don't even bother trying to conceal it any more. Examples, from an endless list: For over five years you had an ongoing demonstration outside the Clintons' apartment by Haitian refugees from the 2010 earthquake demanding: Where's the Money?! Hundreds of millions of dollars, vanished down a black hole. Does anyone ever ask Hillary, still somewhat miraculously wandering about freely at large, about it - or all her other crimes? We had the sickening spectacle of Gordon Brown interviewed on Marr yesterday with the unbelievable gall to claim he saved our economy but regrets he didn't have time to fix the international finance system! When he did more than any single person, with the possible exception solely of Clinton, to cause the crash in the first place, and then compounded the error tenfold, along with Obama, so that the next collapse will be an unavoidable Weimar-style worldwide catastrophe. Does anyone in the media ever ask him about any of these criminally reckless actions? Any of them? Like, for just one small example, Mr.Brown, do you now regret selling off half of our Gold Reserves at the lowest price point for a generation, a price point that you did much to deliberately engineer (and why did you do that, talking of the corrupt international finance system?!) You do realise, Mr.Brown, that you cost this country over a dozen times more money than Lamont lost on Black Wednesday trying to stay in the ERM? And that if we had the luxury of being able to do such a sale today we could completely clear the national deficit? Do you regret that at all? Do you regret your disastrous PFI and BOLOS schemes, that have directly led to the current NHS budget crisis, amongst other intolerable budgetary strains? Do you regret scrapping the building standard requirements that would have ensured the previously mandatory strict Fire Brigade inspection and tests would have prevented the Grenfell disaster? Do you in fact regret ever showing your face again in public? I know you keep saying that, over and over, and I politely ask you, again and again, in what way? The only answer I've ever received from you has been that it provides job opportunities for civil servants and washed-up politicians. For the umpteenth time: what good does it do? Things that could not and would not have been achieved just as well and probably better by independent nations, cooperating inter-governmentally if need be, please. I'm away for a couple of weeks or so, so you have plenty of time to try and come up with something. Anything, any little thing - no need to try and justify the hundreds of billions it's cost us over the decades, in fees and yet more poobahs and lost earnings and balance of payments currency depreciation. Or, rather, not really us - you and I are comfortably well off, one way or another. Poor working people - that's who's paid for it all: far more than their fair share, at any rate, as ever with these liberal-left con tricks. Ensuring the poor and "starving kids" of developing countries can't improve their lot by fairly competing with the farmers and industries of Europe is only a fraction of the harm that it's done.
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Post by aquacultured on Jun 13, 2018 0:08:20 GMT 1
And I'm not vociferously supporting the EU I know you keep saying that, over and over, and I politely ask you, again and again, in what way? The only answer I've ever received from you has been that it provides job opportunities for civil servants and washed-up politicians. Cheap shot. Why would I ever say that? Where have I ever said that? For the umpteenth time: what good does it do? Things that could not and would not have been achieved just as well and probably better by independent nations, cooperating inter-governmentally if need be, please. You keep doing this, not just to me. You want your interlocutor to answer you in the format you determine, otherwise - it seems - you can't cope with the answer. I'm away for a couple of weeks or so, so you have plenty of time to try and come up with something. Carry on patronising. Your superciliousness won't get you anywhere. Anything, any little thing - no need to try and justify the hundreds of billions it's cost us over the decades, in fees and yet more poobahs and lost earnings and balance of payments currency depreciation. Or, rather, not really us - you and I are comfortably well off, one way or another... Look, it's easy enough to rehearse the pros and cons of staying in the EU. But that was all done two years ago. You can't've put your fingers in your ears, surely? What matters now is now and the future. Gut feeling, not pros and cons, seems to've been what decided things two years ago. My guts are still in the same place as they were, as are yours no doubt. I'm just waiting for the next chapter, now May has offered some sort of compromise; and for when Edward Leigh's face explodes in public view.
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Post by alancalverd on Jun 14, 2018 23:14:56 GMT 1
. Gut feeling, not pros and cons, seems to've been what decided things two years ago. Not at all. When we were first persuaded to join the Common Market, all the pro propaganda was about motherhood, apple pie and world peace, and the anti argument was clearly about money. Gut feeling won, and we have been paying for it ever since. Result: wholesale destruction of UK manufacturing, farming, fishing and mining. The last round of brotherhood and gut feeling led to an influx of cheap labor from countries with a much lower cost of living (damned socialists!) and a serious diminution of the economic prospects of the British working classes. So this time, pros and cons triumphed over gut feeling.
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Post by aquacultured on Jun 15, 2018 1:03:57 GMT 1
. Gut feeling, not pros and cons, seems to've been what decided things two years ago. Not at all. When we were first persuaded to join the Common Market, all the pro propaganda was about motherhood, apple pie and world peace, and the anti argument was clearly about money. I was never persuaded to join. No-one was. Heath just took us in, remember. A couple of years later Wilson gave us a choice to stay in or go. I voted to go, tho I don't remember being offered apple pie and world peace on the ballot paper, to stay. Some mistake surely. On the basis of 40+ years experience, I voted to Remain two years ago. Whatever the failures and inadequacies of the EU, cooperation and collaboration are still better than conflict. For anyone with children and grandchildren, the prospects are pretty scary.
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Post by Progenitor A on Jun 15, 2018 7:37:28 GMT 1
Whatever the failures and inadequacies of the EU, cooperation and collaboration are still better than conflict. A sentiment I agree with entirely. That is what the government is seeking, but it seems the EU bureaucrats are not prepared to go with those
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