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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 0:57:52 GMT 1
I've told all my umpteen grandkids that xmas has been cancelled for the near future, by Brexitmas.
That'll politicise them!
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:03:15 GMT 1
I agree, though to hear that from a "communist" is a little beyond irony, I'd have thought. One of the symptoms of Dunning-Kruger syndrome is that the sufferer trips over his own prejudice. I'm sorry to hear that, and hope you feel better soon. I'd be interested to learn what else would be in the private sector in this radical new version of communism of yours?
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:27:38 GMT 1
Anyway, I heard one lucid comment on "Any Answers" today. Are you still able to tell, in your condition? As the law stands, the meaningful vote would be on the deal negotiated. Failing that being approved, WTO terms is the default consequence. To prevent that, a new law will need to be passed. Impossible, as far as I can see - it could only be drafted with the agreement of the EU to extend Article 50, with the condition that new negotiations are entered into. But the EU has stated unequivocally it won't do so - unless the stalling is for the staging of another Referendum. So that's the binary choice. Another Referendum, or No Deal. I can't see a majority for the People's Vote - May would have to go back on everything she's promised, and Corbyn too would be in a real bind. Both, and everyone who's got a brain in their head, would know the fearsome dangers of so betraying the first vote. And what the hell would be the question?
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:39:35 GMT 1
You're forgetting that a Parliament can't bind its successors. It was Cameron's 2010-15 Parliament that made that ludicrous promise, with the abject connivance of the oppostion. Both parties were elected in the 2017 election on that manifesto promise. Chamberlain, Eden, Thatcher, Wilson, Blair? I'm not sure what you mean by starting a "new Parliament". A new election? Otherwise, the Parliament is the caucus elected. Very few thought it was ludicrous at the time - she was way ahead in the polls. The mistake was making such a cack-handed fist of it. Hardly in control. No they're not, and there's no reason they should be. This is wild and desperate stuff, even from someone so dismissive of democracy as you. You also seem to conveniently ignore that those promises were affirmed in the manifestos of both parties - accounting for 80% of the popular vote - and have been repeated ad nauseam by that election's victor.
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 1:48:08 GMT 1
Oh dear. What's in the Winner's manifesto isn't binding, except in so far as as the Upper House are inhibited from blocking it more than once. As for the Losers, they're not even in the game.
Damned lies and percentages, maybe?
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:57:54 GMT 1
Oh dear. What's in the Winner's manifesto isn't binding It is generally and traditionally taken to be so. Not for you Civil Servants, of course - but this is how the elctorate understands politics, and politicians too. That's a convention, applying to Finance - which pretty much covers everything. They've still been elected on a manifesto, and reversing the promises on which they were so elected in no small matter: on what grounds do they oppose?
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 2:07:12 GMT 1
I am not, and have never been, for the last 22 years at least, a Civil Servant.
I think you're out of your comfort zone.
But what do I know, not having been a Civil Servant in living memory?
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:15:25 GMT 1
I am not, and have never been, for the last 22 years at least, a Civil Servant. But did she suck you off, Mr.President? And you're projecting again. Just revise the bloody thing, why don't you? You don't really believe it's any good, do you? You know jack-shit, in my opinion, and what you think you know is almost as dangerous and fascistic as what you claim to believe.
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 2:23:39 GMT 1
Hey, you're becoming unintelligble, which is what you usually accese me of.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:35:35 GMT 1
Hey, you're becoming unintelligble, which is what you usually accese me of. The difference between us is I always ask: what do you mean? As in: what is it that you don't understand? The other critical difference between us is I'll take the trouble to explain it to you, being civilised, and polite, and seeing this is a messageboard, not a protest march where you can display your "writing" on a banner.
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 2:42:22 GMT 1
You don't usually ask 'what do you mean?' You usually make up a version that suits your agenda.
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So, you've now moved on from targeting me as a long-ex-civil-servant to a writer.
Happy days.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:47:41 GMT 1
You don't usually ask 'what do you mean?' You usually make up a version that suits your agenda. I always ask what you mean. And often give you an indication of what you actually wrote instead. I don't know if you were ever a civil servant, though admittedly you display certain of the stereotypical characteristics, so it's not totally implausible. But a writer? No chance.
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Post by alancalverd on Nov 25, 2018 10:56:59 GMT 1
I've told all my umpteen grandkids that xmas has been cancelled for the near future, by Brexitmas. That'll politicise them! If they get their information from the telly, they will have no idea what you are talking about. Xmas has been replaced by "holidays", an indeterminate period during which people worship a Coca Cola truck, run down a snowy hill with no particular destination, shave their legs, or eagerly await the delivery of an immaculately conceived new sofa. To retain the traditional air of mystery and wonder, "holidays" actually begins the day after a real American holiday, known as Black Friday because you have to buy stuff you didn't need the week before. You can also read them the heartwarming story of the Gay Pianist who made more money than the bloke who actually wrote the songs. Brexitmas will of course be celebrated at the end of March, along with VE day and 30 July and for the same reason.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 26, 2018 16:50:54 GMT 1
I've told all my umpteen grandkids that xmas has been cancelled for the near future, by Brexitmas. That'll politicise them! If they get their information from the telly, they will have no idea what you are talking about. Xmas has been replaced by "holidays", an indeterminate period during which people worship a Coca Cola truck, run down a snowy hill with no particular destination, shave their legs, or eagerly await the delivery of an immaculately conceived new sofa. To retain the traditional air of mystery and wonder, "holidays" actually begins the day after a real American holiday, known as Black Friday because you have to buy stuff you didn't need the week before. You can also read them the heartwarming story of the Gay Pianist who made more money than the bloke who actually wrote the songs. You made me look something up again, Alan. Same puzzling result. Google tells me July 30 is Cheesecake Day. Or, if you're religious, Papal Enema Day. Your mind gives more than enough traditional air of mystery and wonder around here - I'll rest content with my litre of Jack Daniels, The Great Escape, and shaving me legs.
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Post by alancalverd on Nov 27, 2018 0:51:12 GMT 1
30/7/66. Two world wars and one world cup. Typical bloody Yanks- Google has no sense of real history.
Not sure about The Great Escape. I think they show The African Queen in even-numbered years. Same plot, though - plucky Anglophones thwarting dastardly Krauts against overwhelming odds. Bobby Moore DFC and all that. And the best stunts were filmed in Shepperton.
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