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Post by mrsonde on Apr 12, 2019 22:42:53 GMT 1
The ban on movement of cattle applied to the United Kingdom only and entirely. Eire is not part of the UK. Err....yes. So you couldn't move cattle across the border, fair enough. What I'm more interested in: could the disease be treated in any other way?
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Post by alancalverd on Apr 13, 2019 15:17:15 GMT 1
But the cattle could move themselves across the border because it runs through the middle of many fields!
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 13, 2019 17:40:02 GMT 1
Irish cows. Anarchists, probably.
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Post by alancalverd on Apr 15, 2019 14:33:46 GMT 1
Are youse insulting loyal Orange cattle now? That will cost the English taxpayer another £10,000,000.
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 15, 2019 16:48:51 GMT 1
Are youse insulting loyal Orange cattle now? That will cost the English taxpayer another £10,000,000. I've always suspected that most NI protestants couldn't give a damn about being British, really. Why would they? Most of them have their roots in Scotland, for a start. What most of them cared about was not being part of a Catholic country, I believe. If you're brought up a Catholic I guess that doesn't seem all that alarming - think "Moslem" instead, Nay, and you'd more get the idea. It matters less these days of course, thanks to the abuse scandal more than anything - so roll on the day. I don't know what the cows think though.
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Post by jonjel on Apr 16, 2019 15:44:23 GMT 1
The ban on movement of cattle applied to the United Kingdom only and entirely. Eire is not part of the UK. Err....yes. So you couldn't move cattle across the border, fair enough. What I'm more interested in: could the disease be treated in any other way? When speaking to a very god friend who is a senior vet he explained that there are several different strains of Foot and Mouth. It is endemic in many parts of the world as they herd cattle long distances.
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 16, 2019 17:46:49 GMT 1
Err....yes. So you couldn't move cattle across the border, fair enough. What I'm more interested in: could the disease be treated in any other way? When speaking to a very god friend who is a senior vet he explained that there are several different strains of Foot and Mouth. It is endemic in many parts of the world as they herd cattle long distances. Yes, but those countries aren't allowed to export to our markets - the EU, primarily, and the US, for high-end meat. I always understood that this was the basic reason for the slaughter. Vaccinating is of course expensive and, as you say, would not be all that effective, given the various strains, and their propensity to mutate in any case: but the main reason it's not used, except to throw a quarantine ring around an infection area, is that this in itself disqualifies from those export markets. Speaking as a veggie, I find all this highly repugnant - but it's not high on the long, long list of my objections.
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 18, 2019 10:38:06 GMT 1
The general consensus, from every political hue even true blue of the commentariat, is a resounding tolling of the bell for the Conservative Party. It will get a thorough spanking in both coming elections, and very probably a General Election unless there's a really radical change. The reason? Because the Tories have not delivered Brexit, and humiliated the country to a degree not known since, since...well, since Suez, or people of Corbyn's views were last in power, depending on your particular hue.
This is indisputably entirely the fault of Theresa May, and the little clique of closet advisors she allowed to pervert her sense and principles. Yet she's still there, and it would appear - to what must be everyone's deep bewildered despair - she might even have the gall (AKA "resilience" and "determination", if you're one of those vanishing few who still admire the woman) to insist on trying to still lead into the next election.
How the hell can they get rid of her? The person who has unarguably done more to damage the Conservative Party than anyone in history?
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Post by alancalverd on Apr 18, 2019 20:03:36 GMT 1
The saddest words in the English language are "I told you so".
Way back when this farce began with the departure of David Cameron, I pointed out that the largely Eurosceptic parliamentary Tory party, supported by a largely Europhilic business community, had elected a lifelong Europhile to their leadership, so her priority was to dilute and mutilate the referendum result until it was unrecognisable. Which she has done. Meanwhile a largely Europhilic opposition, representing largely Leave communities, chose as its leader a lifelong Eurosceptic who was more concerned about keeping his parliamentary colleagues on side than insisting that the government did what it (and indeed the opposition) had pledged to do.
The non-result was inevitable from Day 1.
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 19, 2019 13:15:58 GMT 1
The saddest words in the English language are "I told you so". Thanks Alan, cheered me up no end! Here was I believing they were: I'm afraid it's Herpes. Yeah? Maybe. Could be. Personally, I have grave doubts that she's half that clever. If she did make this mess deliberately, I have to say she's more impressive and Machiavellian than I give her credit for. My bet is she was totally fooled by Robbins and her Civil Service team in the cabinet office. I have no doubt at all that they were all lifelong Europhiles, and considered it their higher duty to frustrate the Referendum for what they believe is the good of the country. Her - I tend to believe she was lukewarm at best in her Europhilia, if, like Corbyn, it exists at all. I think she was genuinely sold on the idea that the Backstop scheme Robbins came up with could get her the "good deal" she probably still believes it to be. Robbins and Barnier, of course, know full well that it means we'll never be able to leave. This hasn't sunk into her, for some reason - or if it has, she can plausibly deny it has. She could have been brighter, by just a smidgeon - no one's asking for a genius. She could have stuck to her principles and promises. No - all she had to do was be straight, honest, and decent (that is, respect the democratic result, and follow it through.) All she had to do was have the gumption to not be bamboozled, and the integrity not to try to bamboozle people in turn. I don't think it was asking for much, really.
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Post by alancalverd on Apr 19, 2019 17:11:06 GMT 1
The saddest words in the English language are "I told you so". Thanks Alan, cheered me up no end! Here was I believing they were: I'm afraid it's Herpes. Same thing, surely?
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Post by mrsonde on Apr 23, 2019 22:02:51 GMT 1
I'm not sure what the Welsh dragon is doing in the middle of Google's St.George's Day logo. Celebrating England's military and cultural conquests? Not very politically correct of them. At least the Australian national flower isn't there - the world's most powerful known hallucinogen. Maybe they've confused our St.George with the Turkish one, who reputedly slew a dragon (stood on a lizard more like, given the Turkish fondness for truth-telling.) Our Saint George smoked a pipe and read the Times in his fireside armchair with his tea, tut-tutting about what the foreigners are getting up to now.
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