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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 11:08:19 GMT 1
Political campadres? of course you do RSmith....UKIP man! Heard your Euro (ha) leader on the radio the other morning. Whatever, sorry about getting your island wrong but it's your posted attitude to public transport and whatnot that made me wonder have you never been any where bigger and more cosmopolitan than small islands. CO2 chemistry and physics in the atmosphere is clearly beyond your ken, the arguments are falling around you small minded non-science libertarians like the turfs dug from the holes with which you Orkadians heat your homes.....ha ha ha ha it's irony RSmith. I know that you're just connected to the 21st century. Can't imagine how the wilder world impacted upon your world view.....I can actually. You demonstrate it with every post. We've been here before. Post some facts to support you opinions rather than calling the Guardian from pillar to post. Love Motorhead though, Ill concede you that but Windowlicker? This must be you www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqjhcdl8Kt8 or is this you, shouting at old ladies.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWDAtMPoBHA ha ha ha Don't care where you've been RSmith, your world view stinks. UKIP science.....oxymoron or what......deserves to stay up there in the islands closer to Rockall and St Kilder than us here in England and the real world. Then if your "science" and "world view" are correct, why are science, politics and climate agreeing with my position more and more and more? Is it cos you and your tiny minority of left foot eco hippies have had their day?
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Post by enquirer on Nov 24, 2010 11:19:58 GMT 1
Then if your "science" and "world view" are correct, why are science, politics and climate agreeing with my position more and more and more? Because you are very selective in your reading material and prefer to remain in blissful ignorance of the facts. Your "position" is built on very shaky ground
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 11:46:42 GMT 1
Which "facts" are these enquirer? The fact that the hockey team have been shown to be corrupt? The fact that global warming has been shown to be a political entity? The fact that since the shift to the right in world politics, CAGW has been dropped. The fact that the bloody hail is bouncing off my window!!!
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Post by enquirer on Nov 24, 2010 12:04:50 GMT 1
To take your points in turn:
"The fact that the hockey team have been shown to be corrupt?" Six different independant investigations (both in UK and USA) have cleared the scientist involved of all fraudulent and corrupt behaviour. It was true that they could have been more open with their data but it has been shown that they did not falsify anything. Continuing to repeat the (proven to be untrue) claim that they have been shown to be corrupt could lead you open to litigation - afterall, you're not too shy about identifying yourself.
"The fact that global warming has been shown to be a political entity?" You may choose to ignore the science papers that are constantly being published that demonstrate the AGW is continuing unabated but that doesn't mean they aren't being published.
"The fact that since the shift to the right in world politics, CAGW has been dropped." You mean that just because the TEA party in the US were succesful in their anti-science stance that the whole world is about to follow? I don't think so. 60% of folks in the US don't believe in evolution and you think these are the people whose opinions we should listen to?
"The fact that the bloody hail is bouncing off my window!!!" To use Marchesarosa's favourite quote - weather is not climate.
Try getting yourself an education rsmith7 - your ignorance is embarassing you. Try reading something other than tabloid journalism (web or print based).
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 12:28:43 GMT 1
To take your points in turn: "The fact that the hockey team have been shown to be corrupt?" Six different independant investigations (both in UK and USA) have cleared the scientist involved of all fraudulent and corrupt behaviour. It was true that they could have been more open with their data but it has been shown that they did not falsify anything. Continuing to repeat the (proven to be untrue) claim that they have been shown to be corrupt could lead you open to litigation - afterall, you're not too shy about identifying yourself. "The fact that global warming has been shown to be a political entity?" You may choose to ignore the science papers that are constantly being published that demonstrate the AGW is continuing unabated but that doesn't mean they aren't being published. "The fact that since the shift to the right in world politics, CAGW has been dropped." You mean that just because the TEA party in the US were succesful in their anti-science stance that the whole world is about to follow? I don't think so. 60% of folks in the US don't believe in evolution and you think these are the people whose opinions we should listen to? "The fact that the bloody hail is bouncing off my window!!!" To use Marchesarosa's favourite quote - weather is not climate. Try getting yourself an education rsmith7 - your ignorance is embarassing you. Try reading something other than tabloid journalism (web or print based). Independent investigations my arse. The fact that these sham investigations were instituted in the first place should set alarm bells ringing. What about all the science papers published that utterly discredit CAGW? Obama has been neutered, the nulabour experiment is over - wake up to the fact that the left are finished - or are you in denial. CAGW is a product of leftist politics - if you can't see this, you can't see much. CAGW is so last year.
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Post by helen on Nov 24, 2010 13:00:48 GMT 1
RSmith, please support your arguments. What about 'all the science papers that utterly discredit CAGW' where are these papers published? 'CAGW is a product of leftist politics.' Come on RSmith, justify this statement.
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 13:16:08 GMT 1
I can't be arsed helen - I'm much less motivated since the obvious demise of CAGW and it's fanatical supporters. I seem to remember your description of socialism on the BBC board. One bit stood out: "Idealism over realism" Okay darling!
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Post by speakertoanimals on Nov 24, 2010 13:17:01 GMT 1
So, according to this view, being suspected of wrong-doing should be enough, no smoke without fore, and we don't need a trial and investigation of the evidence, you'll get banged up.............
Given the supposed skeptics sniffing around climatology, no wonder that some things get turned up. And when they do, it is in everybodys interest (especially those accussed of misconduct as regards their research) that things should be investigated. So, if we hadn't had investigations, skeptics would have shouted cover-up, and when we do (and they come to a conclusion you don't like), you ignore the conclusion, and say that being investigated itself is enough to damn you.
I just hope you never come to the attention of any authorities that take a similar approach to criminal justice....................
Yes, and WHERE are all these papers that show AGW is wrong? Kind of like asking chiropractors where is all the data showing that it actually works -- we get a skimpy list of papers in dodgy journals, if anything.
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 13:20:38 GMT 1
So, according to this view, being suspected of wrong-doing should be enough, no smoke without fore, and we don't need a trial and investigation of the evidence, you'll get banged up............. Given the supposed skeptics sniffing around climatology, no wonder that some things get turned up. And when they do, it is in everybodys interest (especially those accussed of misconduct as regards their research) that things should be investigated. So, if we hadn't had investigations, skeptics would have shouted cover-up, and when we do (and they come to a conclusion you don't like), you ignore the conclusion, and say that being investigated itself is enough to damn you. I just hope you never come to the attention of any authorities that take a similar approach to criminal justice.................... Yes, and WHERE are all these papers that show AGW is wrong? Kind of like asking chiropractors where is all the data showing that it actually works -- we get a skimpy list of papers in dodgy journals, if anything. But the hockey team were obviously as guilty as a puppy beside a pile of poo - it does you no justice to try to defend these charlatans. You're probably a low level member of the gang. Keep the red flag flying eh?
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Post by enquirer on Nov 24, 2010 14:15:05 GMT 1
What a fine upstanding politician you would make - sod the actual criminal justice system that requires a burden of proof, sod the six different independant investigations that could find no evidence of breaking the law, you'd lock them up anyway.
Ever thought there might be a link between your attitudes and your failure to get elected?
Unlike the USA, we don't often elect extremist nutters.
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Post by helen on Nov 24, 2010 14:49:20 GMT 1
Hockey team? Red Flag? Remember Citizen Smith from the tv back in the seventies? You, RSmith, come over as a rather sad and ironic parody of him. WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS!
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 14:54:28 GMT 1
"Unlike the USA, we don't often elect extremist nutters."
Caroline Lucas Partick Harvie Ken Livingstone Alex Salmond Tony "I have conversations with God" Blair
Need I go on?
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 14:56:00 GMT 1
Hockey team? Red Flag? Remember Citizen Smith from the tv back in the seventies? You, RSmith, come over as a rather sad and ironic parody of him. WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS! Do you deny that the green movement are an extreme left orgnisation?
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Post by enquirer on Nov 24, 2010 15:05:19 GMT 1
Do you deny that the green movement are an extreme left orgnisation? Not everyone who recognises that AGW is happening is a member of the Green movement - like I said, I have always voted Tory and plan on continuing to do so. Your habit of tar-ing us all with the same brush demonstrates more about your own thinking that ours.
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 24, 2010 15:06:42 GMT 1
Then you don't understand that CAGW is purely a political entity.
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