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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 23, 2010 20:43:08 GMT 1
Their data IS what is being attacked. They get it in the neck for persisting in promoting a hypothesis which they can only demonstrate via wonky models and highly "adjusted" data. People who persist in inflated claims in the absence of any proof and earning a living from it are charlatans. Calling themselves "scientists" is no guarantee of excellence. Only willing "useful idiots" are impressed with this phoney "science". The sceptics are the ones promoting REAL scientific values. Increasingly research is throwing doubt on the CAGW hypothesis. Just because the CAGW ideology is entrenched in the centres of power and influence does not make it right any more that the earth-centred universe that also had its promoters in high places. Well, the individuals to which rsmith7 was referring are not known by me, so what evidence can you or he present that would tend to support your negative evaluation of them?
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Post by rsmith7 on Dec 23, 2010 22:38:50 GMT 1
Read "The Hockeystick Illusion" by Montford and "Climate: The Counter Consensus" By Prof Carter.
Apologies by the way, for the short posts - very busy catching fish that are supposed to be nearing extinction in frigid waters that are supposed to be warm.
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 23, 2010 23:35:22 GMT 1
Read "The Hockeystick Illusion" by Montford and "Climate: The Counter Consensus" By Prof Carter. Apologies by the way, for the short posts - very busy catching fish that are supposed to be nearing extinction in frigid waters that are supposed to be warm. "...several reviewers criticized the book as providing cover for individuals opposing action on climate change. Alastair McIntosh, writing in the Scottish Review of Books, criticised the book as only being able to 'cut the mustard with tabloid intellectuals but not with most scientists.' Noting that Montford has not made any relevant scientific contributions, he commented that the book 'might serve a psychological need in those who can't face their own complicity in climate change, but at the end of the day it's exactly what it says on the box: a write-up of somebody else's blog' and criticised the book as 'at worst, ... a yapping terrier worrying the bull; it cripples action, potentially costing lives and livelihoods.' Montford's book was also reviewed unfavorably for similar reasons by Bob Ward in The Guardian, Chemistry World and in a second Prospect review." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hockey_Stick_Illusion#ReceptionBTW, you should not be doing that.
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Post by rsmith7 on Dec 24, 2010 8:23:09 GMT 1
You should read the books. In the hokeystick, it's not the science that is the main problem - it's the corrupt behaviour of the hockey team. Why are they doing this? In the other book it's both the science and the corrupt practice. i.e. Warmist models have co2 lasting 100 - 150 years in the atmosphere when it actually only lasts 5 - 10. They assert that co2 has a linear effect of warming when in fact it's logarithmic - the more co2 added to the atmosphere the less the effect. i.e. a doubling of co2 will only result in warming of less than 1C. (ignoring the complex buffering that reduces the effect further.)
btw the sea is stuffed with fish so don't panic.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 29, 2010 20:59:56 GMT 1
Lars Tunkrans on WUWT says: December 29, 2010 at 4:35 am
Stockholm Sweden has broken all cold records since 1788 ( 222 years ago ) over the period of the 4 weeks before christmas. That means that we are already back in Little ICE age conditions here . The Baltic sea is freezing over fast and is now already frozen at the state it use to be in the end of January. At this rate the Baltic will freeze down to Poland and Germany in the end March. Live Long and Prosper.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 29, 2010 21:02:40 GMT 1
Let's not forget, either, that last year it was possible to walk from Denmark to Sweden (via the short route, that is).
Looks like it will be a repeat this year.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 30, 2010 12:39:32 GMT 1
Interesting article on severe winter weather from Fiona Macrae in the Mail here: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342515/UK-snow-big-freeze-weather-means-winter-set-coldest-300-YEARS.htmlIt ends with this about the Great Irish Frost - spooky! Experts are predicting the cold snap that has crippled much of Europe could continue well into the new year, but compared to 1740 the temperatures are almost tropical. Back then the cold snap hit Ireland the worst - up to 500,000 people died during the Great Irish Frost which lasted an incredible two years. The bitter weather led to food riots, famine, epidemic and ultimately death. The causes of the extreme weather remain a mystery. New book Arctic Ireland by Trinity College history professor David Dickson explores the 'the longest period of extreme cold in modern European history'. Mr Dickinson said the Great Frost was 'without known precedent and defied conventional explanation'. It started on December 29, 1739, and 'introduced a cold so penetrating that liquids froze indoors and ice floes appeared at the river mouths'.
Seems strange doesn't it, that beguiled by the AGW propaganda, the government has taken its eye so far off the ball that it is more concerned with planting trees to provide shade on the streets during long hot summers and installing shutters to prevent the heat penetrating our houses than protecting the public from NORMAL winter cold snaps. And all the time they are increasing the price of fuel purportedly to fight global warming. Tee hee. You couldn't make it up, eh, abacus? See also this article from Ross Clark in the Express here www.express.co.uk/posts/view/219716
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Post by principled on Dec 30, 2010 14:33:52 GMT 1
Marchesarosa Linking your post to one by Naymissus, I think we can safely say that our right cortex dominated leaders don't understand that the average global temp. is about as good as a chocolate teapot in determining what our energy and emissions policy should be. Meanwhile, the number of extra deaths attributed to the cold will remain stubbornly high precisely because the politicians can't see anything wrong with a chocolate teapot. Doh! P
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 30, 2010 17:59:22 GMT 1
Happy New Year, Principled, and everyone else, too! And many more of 'em!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 3, 2011 12:27:10 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 3, 2011 13:25:30 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 3, 2011 13:32:06 GMT 1
Crises in the East Posted by Richard North Sunday, January 02, 2011 eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/01/crises-in-east.htmlSince 30 December, Russian ships have been trapped by ice in the Sea of Okhotsk, part of the Gulf of Sakhalin, and rescue attempts have so far been frustrated. The drama, redolent of the 1983 ice crisis, apparently involves ten ships, including a research vessel and what are described as three "fishing boats". With crews totalling 400, it is more likely that these are factory or processing ships. The BBC report, claiming to cite the Russian news agency TASS, refers to ice of 12-inch depth – which seems unlikely. Ice hardened ships, which would be needed in these waters, can usually handle up to three feet (1 metre) of ice. Sure enough, the TASS report talks of ice approaching two metres thick, with the icebreaker Magadan (pictured below) struggling to reach the trapped ships. Such is the density of the ice that it had to halt four miles away from the vessels. According to a second report by TASS, Magadan will be joined by the Admiral Makarov icebreaker, one of the largest in the far eastern icebreaker fleet. Rescue operations will then resume, scheduled for 4 January. No lives are said to be at risk. Currently, temperatures are reported down to -22°C and the extent of ice has clearly caught the Russian by surprise – and indeed the thickness, as the Magadan has been unable to cope. Separately, but in the same general region, Japan Times, via Tom Nelson and UPI are reporting record snowfalls in Japan. Members of the Self-Defence Force had to be drafted in to help clear a huge New Year's Eve traffic jam in Tottori Prefecture involving about 1,000 vehicles. A local express train was stranded between stations and was rescued only after a 34-hour wait, with about 130 passengers on board. Record snowfall in region on the Sea of Japan coast forced about 1,200 people to ring in the New Year aboard stalled trains.. Others were not so lucky. In Daisen, an 82-year-old woman buried by a rooftop avalanche Saturday afternoon died after the ambulance took about five hours to arrive after being summoned by her family. Other roads have remained closed throughout today, including one where about 300 trees were found to have collapsed over a distance of about five miles because of the weight of the snow. According to a local meteorological observatory, three feet of snow had accumulated in Yonago, the most since 1940. Previously, the heaviest snow in recent memory was in January 2006, the picture (above) showing children making their way along a street in the city of Iiyama in Nagano Prefecture, Japan. Then, over 100 people died in weather-related incidents. The extremes of temperatures, icing and snowfall in the Far East give a insight to British Met Office scientist Julia Slingo's claim that recent bad weather in the UK and Europe were localised, and that global warming was proceeding apace. With heavy snowfall in the United States, and in China and Mongolia, the extent of cold conditions has now spanned the northern hemisphere.
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Post by eamonnshute on Jan 3, 2011 13:39:55 GMT 1
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Post by carnyx on Jan 3, 2011 17:36:13 GMT 1
Anything below about -10 and air temperature reading as a measure of heat-content is pretty-nigh meaningless .. as all the moisture has been condensed out.
-10 ain't much difference to -35 in terms of 'incredibility'
And, all these variances are only weather, right?
We'll have to wait at least 200 years to clock any climate change, right?
And talking of incredibility, new human technology would have changed the behaviour of the whole human species beyond measure in the next 200 years, right?
So what on earth is the fuss about? Just get on with the development of new technology, right?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 5, 2011 1:58:50 GMT 1
Remember this in message #4 above, folks? This is the map in question ? Here's an update on this story given with all the links etc on WUWT here wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/04/the-met-office-bullhockey/It's another scandal. While issuing a winter forecast in October 2010 for Nov, Dec & Jan, the Met Office claimed it was more than likely to be mild. In fact they were supposedly telling the government in private that it was going to be another severe winter and to be prepared. Why did the Met not share this apercu with the public? Why did the government not share the Met's apercu with the public? Why was the whole transport infrastructure unprepared for another severe winter? Did the Met not want to disappoint is warmist fans and supporters?
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