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Post by louise on Jan 15, 2011 10:08:22 GMT 1
From www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ip8i1kpQEdnSmMu7TgX2uQU78Geg?docId=0781f0219aa14098a9049a464109252c" China sets goals to reduce emissions of pollutantsBEIJING (AP) — China said Friday it would cut emissions this year by rejecting construction projects that pollute too much and developing new technologies that curb greenhouse gases. The Ministry of Environmental Protection set a target to cut emissions of major pollutants such as sulfur dioxide, ammonia nitrogen and nitrogen oxide by 1.5 percent in 2011 compared to last year, a report on the ministry's website said. China is the world's largest polluter, with energy demands growing sharply every year. The consumption boom reflects the country's transformation from a nation of subsistence farmers to one of workers increasingly trading bicycles for cars and buying energy-hungry home electronics. Environmental Protection Minister Zhou Shengxian said in the report that construction projects that fail to meet environmental standards will not be approved or suspended. New technologies, such as treatment plants for waste recycling and wastewater treatment, are also in development, Zhou said. Other measures include developing technology to remove sulfur, nitrogen and other polluting materials from industrial manufacturing. It wasn't clear how the technologies being developed would be applied this year. The report said more efforts will be made to control vehicle emissions and heavy-polluting industries such as paper-making, textiles, leather and chemical plants, but did not give any details. In international climate change talks, Beijing has long said developed nations should make bigger cuts, reflecting their larger historical contribution to greenhouse gases. China also has resisted international pressure for it to take a larger role in curbing greenhouse gas emissions. China's total 2009 energy consumption, including sources ranging from oil and coal to wind and solar power, was equal to 2.265 billion tons of oil, compared with 2.169 billion tons used by the United States, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said last year." |
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 15, 2011 11:05:01 GMT 1
Isn't 'leading the way' a little bit of poetic licence?
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Post by louise on Jan 15, 2011 11:34:27 GMT 1
Isn't 'leading the way' a little bit of poetic licence? On emissions - yes :-) On 'green' technology - no :-( |
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Post by chloepink on Jan 15, 2011 12:37:18 GMT 1
Isn't 'leading the way' a little bit of poetic licence? On 'green' technology - no :-( What like this piece of 'green' technology: www.palinstravels.co.uk/book-829"Up river from the construction site we enter the most unspoilt pastoral landscape I've yet seen in China. A panorama of traditional cultivation patterns - terraced valleys winding back into the mountains, contours picked out by stone walls and winding paths. Hamlets of whitewashed stone cottages with wide-hipped roofs are tucked away amongst the trees, or dotted along sandy bays. Quite soon all this will have vanished beneath the waters of the reservoir. The occupants of those whitewashed farmhouses will be among the one and a half million who will be sent elsewhere, their homes and livelihoods sacrificed to the industrialization of the Yangtze Basin." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam"However, the dam flooded archaeological and cultural sites and displaced some 1.3 million people, and is causing significant ecological changes, including an increased risk of landslides.[8] The dam has been a controversial topic both in China and abroad.[9]" |
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Post by louise on Jan 15, 2011 15:34:59 GMT 1
From www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70C1FA20110113"China has the world's highest wind power capacity after adding 62 percent or 16 gigawatts (GW) in new capacity last year, the official Xinhua News Agency reported on Thursday.The country's total installed wind power capacity reached 41.8 GW at the end of last year, the report said, citing Li Junfeng, secretary general of the Chinese Renewable Energy Industries Association. Installed wind capacity in the United States increased by about 5 GW to 40.2 GW at the end of 2010, the report said, citing data from the Global Wind Energy Council. The report did not say how much of Chinese capacity was able to access power transmission and distribution networks. Wind power capacity connected to grid networks totaled 22.94 GW at the end of August last year, according to the China Electricity Council. Some Chinese wind farms have been working far below capacity as local grid capacity was unable to accommodate the rising number of intermittent energy sources. Some wind turbines have stood idle from day one because of a lack of grid access. China is considering ways to ensure grid connections for output generated from planned wind power capacity of 90 GW by 2015, China's National Energy Administration has said. China would start building the second-phase of the 5 GW Jiuquan wind power project in Gansu province, the 2 GW Hami wind power project in Xinjiang, a 2 GW Kailu project in Inner Mongolia and the 1.5 GW Tongyu project in Jilin province this year, the Xinhua report said" |
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 15, 2011 16:16:54 GMT 1
Ok - 41GW at at a load factor of 22% gives actual production of 9GW.
In all of china!!
Ha haaa haaa!
Paying lip service to the lunatic UN in order to sell it's silly turbines to the worried well of the west.
Get a grip!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 15, 2011 16:17:40 GMT 1
What is the generation capacity from renewables as a percentage of the China's total electricity generating capacity, louise? I think you will find it is a piddling couple of percent excluding hydro. China is a massive country. Everything it does is on a massive scale compared to every other nation, yet its renewables sector is still proportionally tiny - as elsewhere and China is making international long term coal importation contracts wherever it can lay hands on coal.
Were you REALLY unaware of this?
Don't expect green relief from China is the message. China is seeking productivity improvement - more production output from the same energy input. They will not be reducing electricity consumption from fossil fuels any time soon!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 15, 2011 16:26:23 GMT 1
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 15, 2011 16:30:52 GMT 1
And let's not forget the tens of millions slaughtered by this regime.
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 15, 2011 16:36:42 GMT 1
And let's not forget the tens of millions slaughtered by this regime. Surely a Green measure though? |
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 15, 2011 16:40:12 GMT 1
Indeed - the eco-left don't mind breaking a few eggs though. Starvation due to bio diesel and anti-DDT slaughtering millions with malaria spring to mind.
Ah well, all in a good cause.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 15, 2011 16:44:24 GMT 1
www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp.php#generation_by_fuel_type_tableWind turbines are really giving it some today - 5.1% of our electricity!...on a mild breezy day with very low consumption. We'll gloss over the fact that we're importing the same from French Nuclear plants. During the last month of freezing weather, wind was usually producing less than 1%. Despite billions spent.....
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Post by principled on Jan 17, 2011 12:12:43 GMT 1
Louise, I assume that your laudable concern for the environment is the reason you highlight renewables. I assume that this concern stems from a wish to reduce CO2 emissions, is that so?
Are you aware that across the channel our French neighbours produce some 40% less co2/person than the UK? Are you aware that the reason they have achieved this is that they use a method of electrical generation that the "green" lobby successfully bullied various UK governments into abandoning?
Only now, with our backs against the wall and "brown outs" on the horizon, has our government had the "cojones" to agree to nuclear plants. Whether we can build enough to prevent major cuts in what remains of UK industry I'm not sure. In terms of CO2 emissions, the stance of the eco warriors against nuclear meant that they effectively shot themselves in the foot. As Caroline Lucas put it on the Andrew Marr programme just after her election, she now realises that nuclear is needed to achieve CO2 targets but thinks it's too late to build them! No contrition, no mea culpa, no apology for the fact that it was her and her ilk that meant our CO2 emissions were 40% higher than they needed to be...
And before you hit me over the head with renewables, let me say that as good as they may be they cannot in their current form provide the power for UK industry. We just cannot achieve the firm capacity we need with them and nor can any country, unless it can have the correct mix of wind, solar and HYDRO. And, if you read CP's link, you will see that to have that can also cause social devastation on a scale that even "eco warriors" would baulk at. So fat chance of any meaningful hydro here in the UK then. QED
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Post by chloepink on Jan 19, 2011 22:07:25 GMT 1
From www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70C1FA20110113China has the world's highest wind power capacity after adding 62 percent or 16 gigawatts (GW) in new capacity last year, the official Xinhua News Agency reported on Thursday. Here are two very sound and reasoned speeches (I believe I may already have posted Lord Lawson's here but I'll repeat it for Louise's benefit): Lord Reay's is at 4.40pm (just before 11 Jan 2011 : Column GC131) at this link: http://www.publications.parliament.u...111-gc0001.htm And Lord Lawson of Blaby's is at 4:25pm on 2 Nov 2010 around Column 1584: http://www.publications.parliament.u...10110262000457 |
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Post by louise on Jan 20, 2011 9:40:23 GMT 1
Principled - I am now and have always been a firm supporter of nuclear energy generation.
Just because one element of the 'green' movement has had an official position does not mean that all/most/many environmentally concerned people also think that way - I do not and have never done so.
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