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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 26, 2011 8:57:10 GMT 1
Islamists are in court for interupting a Nov 11 Armistice-Day 2-minute silence by burning poppies and chanting 'British forces are murderers'.
They are accused of (I think) breaching the peace by causing distress and harrassmet to those assembled to remember the fallen
Free country?
Not on your Nelly matey!
If the authorities don't like what you are doing, they will always find a way to stop you doing it!
Just as , if they think that breaking the law is an embarrassment, they will always find a way to avoid prosecution - hence the gntleman that sprayed anti-Infidel slogans on a war memorial was not charged with racist provocation (just imagine what would have happened had a BNP gentleman sprayed a mosque with similar slogans)
We should all be concerned at this current prosecution of these Islamists
For if peaceful protest against the curent orthodoxies can lead to criminal prosecution, just what are our freedoms worth?
Sod all, that's what
Freedom is nothing if those we do not like are not allowed to express their views peacefully
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Post by Progenitor A on Mar 7, 2011 18:25:17 GMT 1
Well, the Islamists were given a £50 fine!
Don't you just hate and love the British way of doing things?!
We also know that our heart is wrong.
That is why we are the most civilised nation on earth That is we were able to govern nations of millions of people with just a few thousand ex-public-school-boys and a battalion of the Tartan Watch
Our Colonial oppressed people knew we were a just people. (sarc on)
And that we would only massacre them if they were particularly uppity (sarc on)
Unlike the Belgians, Dutch, Germans and French (sarc on)
The British were and (decreasingly) are, a just people
Unfortunately people take advantage of our reasonableness
We need more battalions of the Tartan Watch
Proboards - what naymissus wrote and I have mangled is called satire. Don't Americans understand satire? JB
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Post by louise on Mar 7, 2011 19:22:14 GMT 1
Looking at how other countries treat those who espouse beliefs that are incredibly offensive to the mainstream I find it very odd that in the USA the Westboro Baptist Church recently won their supreme court case against a man who tried to sue them for picketing his dead war-hero son's funeral.
These are the guys that hold up plackards such as "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates fags".
Talking about the death of Sergeant Phelps, their website said "Where in God's name did he get the idea that it was noble to fight in a fag army for a fag nation that's on the short path to eternal detruction? That's right: his parents, his family, his 'friends', his state and his country; they are to blame for the fact that Sesker is now in a million pieces, the appropriate punishment for their filthy manner of life".
It seems unlikely that in America, the Islamists that burnt a poppy wreath would be prosecuted at all.
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 7, 2011 21:33:18 GMT 1
How crass of you to turn this anti-British hate crime into an idiotic rant against America. £50 fine! I'd have ....... (snip)...... parachutes optional.
Don't you islamic apologists realise they have declared war on us! Why don't you go to Afgahanistan and try and form a focus group with your fundamentalist "friends"? They'd cut your delusional head off. Please accept reality over your pitiful ideals.
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 7, 2011 21:38:28 GMT 1
How crass of you to turn this anti-British hate crime into an idiotic rant against America. £50 fine! I'd have... (snip)... parachutes optional. What's so wonderful about America - it represents all that is crass and vulgar. Not sure about this last, Proboards. Is it OK to call America "crass and vulgar" in cyberspace? JB
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 7, 2011 21:40:25 GMT 1
I agree but at least they believe in personal individual freedom.....unlike louise's fundamentalist friends.
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Post by louise on Mar 7, 2011 22:22:50 GMT 1
You've got that backasswards.
You would like the poppy wreath burners to be punished more than a £50 fine.
Who's against free speech now?
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 7, 2011 22:39:02 GMT 1
I agree but at least they believe in personal individual freedom.....unlike louise's fundamentalist friends. Oh, you mean the personal freedom to exploit others for profit and power?
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 7, 2011 23:13:22 GMT 1
You've got that backasswards. You would like the poppy wreath burners to be punished more than a £50 fine. Who's against free speech now? With freedom comes responsibility - a responsibility to behave in a reasonable manner. Burning poppies and shouting "British soldiers burn in hell" is diabolical behaviour and should lead to consequences proportionate to the offence. Given the context.... I'd (snip) them.
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 7, 2011 23:14:21 GMT 1
I agree but at least they believe in personal individual freedom.....unlike louise's fundamentalist friends. Oh, you mean the personal freedom to exploit others for profit and power? Grow up.
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Post by marchesarosa on Mar 7, 2011 23:18:11 GMT 1
I don't think Louise actually read &/or understood what nay was saying! A bit too paradoxical and complicated for a one track mind, I think.
Crass is the word! Is Louise American, does she live in America? This topic is about hate crime in the UK - the place where most of us live and vote and where mass immigration has been foisted upon us without ever having being discussed and without ever being voted upon by the electorate, such is the limited nature of or democracy.
Keep on topic, Louise. You know what happens to those who stray!
And stop stirring red herrings to muddy the waters. There is very clear anti-Islam sentiment amongst a very large number of the British - the ones who DON'T hold dual nationality, that is.
If you cannot perceive it it is because you are cocooned in PC World. The rest of us are in touch with our fellow citizens in a way that seems to escape the PC locked in their adoration of "diversity" and everything non-British. About Islam they manage to be very tender whilst simultaneously politicking to diminish the role of Christianity in their native land.
Weird, the intellectual contortions the PC are capable of, isn't it? Criticism of Islam, embraced by more than one third of the world's population, is not met with a defense of Islam (they don't know enough about it to be able to defend it, let's be honest) but an attack on a tiny homophobic Baptist sect which probably numbers in the hundreds! Which "faith" presents the greatest threat to world peace today, I wonder?
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Post by Progenitor A on Mar 8, 2011 9:47:45 GMT 1
According to that excellent newspaper the DM:
Emdadur Choudhury was charged with an offence under Section 5 of Public Order Act 1986. Under the act, a person is guilty of an offence if they use either, threatening abusive or insulting words, disorderly behaviour, or display any writing, sign or visible representation that he threatening or insulting.The maximum sentence for this offence is six months, while the highest fine imposable by a court is £1,000. The judge could also have imposed a community sentence such as unpaid work. However because the defendant is understood to have no prior criminal convictions, the judge would not have considered a custodial sentence.
Choudhury could also have been charged under Section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, which is racially or religiously aggravated public order offence. This offence also carries a maximum sentence of six months, but the level of fine can reach £2,500.
The defendant could also have faced charges of an incitement or racial hatred under the Public Order Act.
This offence relates to deliberately provoking hatred of a racial group. Among the offences listed as arrestable are making inflammatory public speeches and inciting inflammatory rumours about an individual or an ethnic group.
Now, if the offender had been a member of the BNP burning copies of the koran, which of these charges would have been invoked?
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Post by jean on Mar 8, 2011 10:02:03 GMT 1
Now, if the offender had been a member of the BNP burnung copies of the koran, which of these charges would have been invoked? Your comparison might have some merit if the poppy had the same significance in Christianity as the Koran has in Islam. But it doesn't, does it?
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 8, 2011 10:24:38 GMT 1
But it is a racial hate crime....or does that only work when we upset your muslim friends?
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Post by Progenitor A on Mar 8, 2011 10:47:13 GMT 1
But it is a racial hate crime....or does that only work when we upset your muslim friends? Ah but the PC luvvies consider racism is a one-way process belonging exclusively to the white races Indeed there was a case a case recently of an Asian Moslem writing hate-slogans on a Cenotaph and he too was charged with the lesser crime of defacing a public place That is one reason why the Molsems hold us in contempt and is a direct consequence of multiculturalism There is a definite policy of soft-pedalling on Moslem crimes - the authorities are scared of being called Islamophobic
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