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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 26, 2011 15:28:41 GMT 1
Emission Controls: The Exodus Begins By Peter C. Glover Posted on Nov. 23, 2011 www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/9229/Emission-Controls-The-Exodus-BeginsBritain’s huge energy-intensive chemical industry contributes £30 million a day to the UK economy. But it is clear already that new green legislation has begun to force early closures and a business exodus to foreign parts. A plague of profit-busting climate policies is sending a “clear signal” to energy-intensive industries: divest yourself of assets, shed jobs – or just plain ship out.... more...
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Post by principled on Nov 27, 2011 20:14:00 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 27, 2011 20:57:42 GMT 1
There are the plutocrats always in the know about the latest toffee apple, and there are the rest of us, principled!
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 27, 2011 21:03:17 GMT 1
There are the plutocrats always in the know about the latest toffee apple, and there are the rest of us, principled! Yeah, but what ever happened to integrity, honesty and truth? Think they died in the mud at Woodstock personally. The yoof had all the ideas but none of the values, sadly. Bitchin music though... |
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 27, 2011 21:35:36 GMT 1
Crosspatch on WUWT says wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/newsbytes-bbc-in-cahoots-with-climategate-scientists-prime-minister-green-guru-publicly-doubts-climate-change/#comment-810455... The problem Germany now faces is how to deal with huge intermittent surges of power. They are expecting 8 Gigawatts of rooftop solar to be installed across the country as the result of major subsidy programs. The problem? The sun suddenly breaks out from behind the clouds and now you have a surge of power into the grid and other sources of generation can not be dialed back fast enough. Then the clouds come back in and suddenly you lose a huge amount of power and can’t get alternative sources online fast enough. Basically the grid during the day stays in a constant state of whack-a-mole and one wrong move can bring down the entire grid. Solar is fine as long as you have load management. If each home had some sort of battery storage to act as a “flywheel” of sorts it might be able to work. Germany’s problem is that it is installing a huge amount of highly intermittent power without adequate backup on an ancient (in many places) distribution grid. |
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Post by principled on Nov 28, 2011 10:43:16 GMT 1
Marchesa
To see the lunacy of installing solar power in Germany (or UK) you just have to read the paragraph below, which is from a Solar power website. One gets the feeling that these guys who live from solar power installation can't even believe it either!
Who in their right mind would choose this form of energy generation in such a country, knowing that in Spain -with 3000hrs of GUARANTEED sunshine- it still has to be heavily subsidised?
For me the responsibility for these insane policies can be laid squarely at the door of the green movement who used the CC debate to breed panic and so force governments along a road that leads nowhere. In the meantime, France will continue to emit 60% less CO2/person than us AND have guaranteed supply for both their people and their industry. Who, I ask you, have been the biggest fools?
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Post by rsmith7 on Nov 28, 2011 11:23:43 GMT 1
Unfortunately the green movement - aided and abetted by the MSM - are winning the PR battle.
The simple solution to this is to make the energy companies clearly set out the "green" proportion of your bill in large red letters.
This figure should include all the costs heaped on us by the greenies including their anti-nuclear, anti-fossil fuel lobbying.
I'm sure a gaggle of economists could come up with a fairly accurate figure. Lawson's lot should do nicely.
Once the masses understand how much the green fetish is costing them they will quickly change their allegiances.
After all - the answer lies with the proles...
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 3, 2011 12:12:30 GMT 1
from The Dark Future of Solar Electricityby willis Eschenbach here wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/03/the-dark-future-of-solar-electricity/ Figure 1. Levelized costs of the different ways of generating power, from the EIA. Blue bars show the capital costs for the system, while red bars are fuel, operations, and maintenance costs. Estimates are for power plants which would come on line in five years. Operation costs include fuel costs as appropriate. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Dec 3, 2011 16:21:19 GMT 1
Hmmm..."Levelised"
That sounds awfully like "homogenised" or "gridded"
On closer inspection the ministry of truth in the us of a have indeed fudged the figures in favour of green nonsense.
20 cents for onshore wind sounds more like it... as Willis states.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 4, 2011 3:11:14 GMT 1
Mr Smth, the Americans do come up with some weird words! “Levelized cost” is a way to compare different electrical generation technologies. It is calculated by converting all of the capita costs and ongoing expenses for the project into current dollars, and dividing that by the amount of energy produced over the lifetime of the plant. For the mathematically inclined there’s a discussion of the various inputs and calculations here energytechnologyexpert.com/cost-of-power-generation/how-to-calculate-the-levelized-cost-of-power-or-energy/ . Levelized cost is the all-up cost per kilowatt-hour of generated power. The levelized costs in Fig. 1 include transmission costs but not the costs of backup for intermittent sources. |
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 7, 2011 17:44:59 GMT 1
From Lubos Motl motls.blogspot.com/2011/12/poland-plans-to-ban-german-solar-and.htmlPoland threatens German energy policy (if only!) Border blockade against green electricity: Because the Polish network operator fears an overload, it wants to prevent the import of wind and solar power from Germany. The head of the German Energy Agency is now using the pages of Spiegel to urge negotiations with the neighboring country. Hamburg – On the way to its new energy policy, Germany has to overcome many hurdles. One of them may soon emerge on the German-Polish border: Poland plans to increase the regulation of green electricity from Germany. The plans have alarmed, according to a report obtained by Der Spiegel, the German energy experts. "When excess wind and solar power can not be discharged abroad, then the German power grid gets destabilized," warns the head of the German Energy Agency (Dena), Mr Stephan Kohler. The background is that the Polish network operator PSE Operator is planning to add switches on the border. Their task would be meant to prevent the Federal Republic of Germany from exporting excess eco-electricity. Whenever this occurs, the operators of the Polish coal power plants must suddenly shut down the plants to avoid an overload. People in Warsaw are worried that the active high-power stations are not ready for such shutdowns and that an unexpected surplus of energy could even lead to a blackout. Therefore, in the future, the so-called phase shift will interrupt the current flow between the two countries. Surplus energy would then be distributed in the German network, which would increase the risk of blackouts on the German side of the border. Dena's Head Mr Kohler is now demanding an accelerated expansion of the power lines from eastern to southern Germany. "The federal government also needs to quickly get in touch with Poland and other neighboring countries and to negotiate about the European energy policy," said Kohler. Via Mark Duchamp Let me add that Czechia's grid is apparently more stable and more flexible and we're one of the countries – together with France, Switzerland, and others – that keep on helping Germany to sustain its wild energy experiments. However, it's clear that one should re-assess the price of the excess electricity. Electricity that comes at an unexpected time, in an unexpected amount, simply cannot be considered "equally valuable" to proper reliable electricity whose output is predictable. All – including the previously unaccounted for – expenses paid for the storage and switching of the plants and other key nodes have to be carefully quantified (together with some sensible profit margin) and the German green electricity has to be bought for the correspondingly lower price to make sure that we're not paying for the stupid German decisions and for their hubris and their apparently non-decreasing need to feel superior. |
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2011 22:52:46 GMT 1
Europe confirms action against UK over solar Feed-in Tariff cuts8 Dec 2011 1 The UK Government could face legal action over its plans to more than halve solar subsidies, the European Commission has today confirmed. In response to a Priority Question submitted by Green MEP for London, Jean Lambert, the Commission states that legal proceedings will be taken if the Government’s proposal to drastically slash the solar Feed-in-Tariff threatens progress towards the UK’s binding EU target on renewable energy. Under the Renewable Energy Directive 2009, the UK is required to source 15 per cent of energy needs from renewable sources, including biomass, hydro, wind and solar power by 2020. The Government’s plans to cut the tariff will see payments for electricity generated by solar energy fall from 43p per Kwh to just 21p – a move which will dramatically undermine solar pv installation and capacity and weaken the UK’s ability to meet its 2020 target.... more here www.clickgreen.org.uk/news/national-news/122916-europe-confirms-action-against-uk-over-solar-feed-in-tariff-cuts.html
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2011 1:20:15 GMT 1
"In the UK, the wind farm owner makes more money by taking the windmills offline during gales. Hence, green energy is indeed capitalistically sound – even factoring in the occasional windmill explosion – as long as you are the person who owns the windmills." ZT
Crony capitalism.
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Post by rsmith7 on Dec 9, 2011 9:43:14 GMT 1
Aren't renewables a state subsidised, ideologically driven, socialist "plan"?
It's that pesky progressive conservatism again.
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Post by principled on Dec 9, 2011 12:29:50 GMT 1
Went to a public exhibition of a new wind farm they want to build near by. The locals have organised themselves well and are headed by an ex director of national grid. This is a summary of my discussion with the turbine company rep:
1) The guy told me that my understanding of capacity factor was wrong. I told him that I doubted that, but if he could send me proof I would accept it (I'm waiting with baited breath). He reckoned that Capacity factor is the time the turbine is producing max output over one year divided by the rated output of the turbine over one year. He said that any output below this (eg when it works at 99%) isn't counted. Ye, right.
2) I asked why the CO2 produced by the firm generation needed to back up wind power was not included in the CO2 calcs of wind turbines. He then tried to tell me that the CO2 produced would be captured, so there would be no increase in CO2. I politiely asked why, if this was going to be such a successful process, had the £1bn Longannet project been scrapped!
3) I talked about the need for non-CO2 back-up and he immediately mentioned nuclear power...and I mentioned that most now coming to the end of their life and new ones are around 5-10 years away!
4) I discussed the fact that wind and hydro are good partners, but we have no major hydro. He then tried to convince me that the pumped storage in Wales is true hydro. Ye, right.
5) I asked about energy storage and he mentioned batteries. He didn't seem to know much about the largest battery in the world in Fairbanks, Alaska weighing in at 1300 tonnes and which will keep the lights on for 5 mins if the mains power goes down!
6) I asked about the ROCS subsidy and a second guy came across and said ALL energy used in power generation is subsidised. Ye, right. However, it was conceded that without subsidies the wind farm would not be built!
7) I asked about noise and he discussed at length the "new turbines", the "studies taking place", but conceded that the physics behind all the noise generation was not known. I asked him why, if noise was not a problem, did the industry settle out of court in the case brought by a couple in Spalding? The look on his face said it all.
An interesting discussion. The guy had been well briefed, but I suspect that they didn't realise that some of us are interested enough to do our research before we ask questions!
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