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Post by marchesarosa on May 15, 2011 15:09:27 GMT 1
Louise is probably referring to the CET Central England Temperature record which goes back 350 years and is the longest instrumental record in existence (I think).
The point is if we are in a period of rising temperatures there is nothing in the least surprising about high temperature records being broken. You would expect it! Just as in the 1930's the US experienced MANY broken temperature records throughout the entire country. Only the scare-mongering fraternity of alarmists CHOOSE to claim the current weather is untoward. They just don't think things through rationally, alas.
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Post by louise on May 15, 2011 15:13:57 GMT 1
The reason for previous temperature increases is known.
Those same reasons (and other natural causes) have been shown not to be the cause of the current warming.
I find it quite incomprehensible that some people can state with absolute certainty that CO2 is not causing warming - how do you (rationally) know?
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Post by marchesarosa on May 15, 2011 15:14:47 GMT 1
Scare-mongers should watch this lovely video every three months at least just to remind them of their foibles. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pwQ6S11xOk2009 the FIFTH warmest year on record! My, my And when did the "record" begin, young Simon? Are you actually old enough to know what "normal" UK weather is, Simon?
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Post by marchesarosa on May 15, 2011 15:17:06 GMT 1
I don't claim "certainty" Louise. No-one who follows the climate debates can do that, including you.
But I'm pretty sure!
When I come across evidence that makes me change my mind I'll let you know. You all know how I love share my insights.
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Post by marchesarosa on May 15, 2011 15:18:32 GMT 1
Only a numpty could make this claim.
What a prat. Sorry, Louise, but you are.
Learn to distinguish assertion from fact.
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Post by louise on May 15, 2011 15:25:08 GMT 1
I don't claim "certainty" Louise. No-one who follows the climate debates can do that, including you. Good grief - so you DO recognise that I'm not a CO2 cultists and that I have NEVER claimed certainty (unlike you - you did say you were certain that CO2 is not the cause). At last we seem to be getting somewhere.
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Post by marchesarosa on May 15, 2011 17:07:55 GMT 1
Stop repeating yourself, Louise. I have never claimed "certainty" about anything.
Do you know what "certainty" means? Look it up.
Climate so-called "science" is at a stage of blind, groping ignorance. You seem beguiled by the word "science". Don't be. That would be a very good starting point for your reading about climate.
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Post by louise on May 15, 2011 17:12:24 GMT 1
Stop repeating yourself, Louise. I have never claimed "certainty" about anything. So I guess this must have been a different Marchesarosa? A concatenation of multiple and probably unrelated meteorological events, Louise, plus maybe some human activity. Definitely not CO2, though! I thought the word 'definite' meant that you were certain that CO2 played no part.
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Post by principled on May 15, 2011 19:50:42 GMT 1
Hypotheses have been put forward. They may or may not be right. eg Did previous CO2 rises preceed warming or did they follow it? We cannot be certain.
Which natural causes? Again, we can hypothsise, but without all the pieces of the jigsaw (water vapour, cloud cover, heat transfer by convection currents to name but three) we cannot be sure
I don't think anyone is saying that CO2 isn't playing a part in the warming (figures vary), but that there are other factors that may be far more important but we don't know how their mechanisms interact in the climate as a whole . P
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Post by StuartG on May 18, 2011 1:39:35 GMT 1
NOAA: 7th warmest April on record; D.C. was above average, too May 17, 2011 - 04:25 AM "This April was the seventh warmest on records dating back to 1880, according to a report from the National Climatic Data Center. The global average temperature on land and ocean was 57.8 degrees, a tick above the twentieth-century average of 56.7 degrees. The assessment has a margin of error of +/- 0.13." www.wjla.com/blogs/weather/2011/05/noaa-last-month-was-7th-warmest-april-on-record-d-c-warm-too-10876.htmlBest that can be said "it was hot" StuartG
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Post by marchesarosa on Jul 1, 2012 13:33:18 GMT 1
But what about April 2012?
April to June 2012 has been the wettest since 1910 and very cold, too, in the UK.
All part of normal variation, of course.
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