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Post by Progenitor A on Nov 22, 2018 20:29:54 GMT 1
I feel so sorry
Not that I particularly liked Jean
But we had our moments
Moments of humour, affection even
Now gone, never to return
So sad
But thus is life
Here once, the next gone
She was articulate, intelligent
Caustic, unforgiving
Dismissive, assured in her arrogance
But then
We shared Bach
We had an amusing 'affair'
A bicycle, blackberry picking, Venetian 'Calle'
She had a blindness
A blindness that refused to see
Refused to hear
A wilful obstinacy that was strangely at odds
With her undoubted intellectualism
Now she is gone
And on her grave
I would like to lie
Flowers
That remember sweet moments
Forget manufactured bitterness
Forget-me-nots of love
Goodbye Jean
May Monteverdi Celestial Choirs greet you upon your arrival
At the final Terminus
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 23, 2018 4:59:19 GMT 1
Fine stuff, Nay, and true.
She'd be very cross, though, wouldn't she, to find out you'd been right all along? Something tells me she'd refuse to believe it.
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 24, 2018 1:52:30 GMT 1
Jean was quite a poster,
Not for once a poser.
We had our spats
Not about cats
But Also Zarathustra.
It is a shock she’s dead.
She always steamed ahead.
She hated Nay,
In an odd way,
But laughed at what he said.
In a good way of course.
I heard her do it.
I’ll hear her no more,
Except I will of course.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 24, 2018 19:55:48 GMT 1
I'm no poetry critic, but not fine, nor true. Somewhat insulting to her memory, in fact. Jean did not share your petty emotional imbalances. Though I agree she was equally ready to insult people she disagreed with, and similarly unwilling to actually rationally defend her liberal-left prejudices.
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 24, 2018 23:55:32 GMT 1
I'm no poet, except when I am; and that takes days, weeks, months and years.
Allow me my truth. Which is not the whole truth, of course.
It wasn't insulting to her memory. It's amazing how you can twist everything to conform to your agenda. I think jean would have noticed that.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:13:41 GMT 1
I'm no poet, except when I am; and that takes days, weeks, months and years. Yes, I imgine so. Is this the "writing" you support so many people with? Lucrative, is it? You weren't claiming your "truth", though, were you? Even the poetic kind. You were making an assertion about how Jean felt, and not at all a pleasant one, which anyone would be comfortable having assigned to them; and nor was it in my judgement any kind of truth. I don't have an agenda. Except in this instance, naturally I feel, the small matter of wanting someone I've known for over ten years who's just passed away not to be falsely maligned. Damn right Jean would have noticed that - you'd have got a right good old slap. |
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 1:32:28 GMT 1
I didn't expect you to understand the lines I wrote, which weren't for you, of course.
I didn't malign anyone; I also 'knew' jean for over ten years.
Some people are so cloth-eared or cloth-eyed.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 1:48:52 GMT 1
I didn't expect you to understand the lines I wrote, which weren't for you, of course. Really. You're enjoying some self-satisfaction that there was something too deep and complex for someone like me to understand, are you? No you didn't. Not if you believe she "hated" Nay, in any kind of way. To impute she did requires some revision - call it a work in progress. People who use a eulogy to insult people he doesn't like, for example? And then accuse others of twisting things for their own agenda? "Cloth-eared" isn't the term I'd use - but then I make no claims to be a poet, whose lines are too enigmatic for ordinary folk to understand. |
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 1:57:41 GMT 1
Oh dear, again.
As you're talking about Nay, I've always liked him, as I think he knows.
Not the same as agreeing, is it? On a message board?
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:01:56 GMT 1
Oh dear, again. As you're talking about Nay, I've always liked him, as I think he knows. You're the one who talked about Nay, and it wasn't your feelings you asserted. No, and it's not the same as hating, either. In my opinion, Jean liked Nay just as much as you did. Do you have any reason to suppose she didn't? |
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 2:19:46 GMT 1
I didn't claim to've written a poem. But did you read what I did write, properly, before you started lashing out?
More generally, you seem not to understand that idiom and metaphor are at the heart of the vitality of English.
Literalism, and the perversion of it thru wilful 'misunderstanding', waste years and cost lives.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:28:47 GMT 1
I didn't claim to've written a poem. But did you read what I did write, properly, before you started lashing out? Oh, get over yourself, sloppy bollocks. I'm not "lashing out". I'm pointing out that you've very indelicately made a mistake, and if you had any sense you'd correct it. I don't give a toss what you call your writing. If it looks like a duck, that's as far as any claim to competence to judge I'd ever claim. Yeah. Heard it all before. But you're not defending the Koran or Hamas now. So you're claiming you didn't really mean that Jean hated Nay, in an odd way, then? But you weren't being poetic. Or literal. It was a metaphor for something else. Something that someone with a better grasp of English than me could understand. I think you're talking bollocks. You usually do, but I suggest this thread calls for a mite more decorum. |
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 25, 2018 2:33:27 GMT 1
I'm happy to give you the last word. Not sure jean cared too much about decorum.
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Post by mrsonde on Nov 25, 2018 2:40:36 GMT 1
I'm happy to give you the last word. Not sure jean cared too much about decorum. Well, sleep well with that comforting thought. In the morning, with its benefits, if you have any sense you can alter your non-poem to something less insulting to someone who doesn't understand metaphor. "Derided" would do, and it was certainly true often enough, if that's a point you really want to make about her. |
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Post by aquacultured on Nov 26, 2018 0:13:24 GMT 1
.. if you have any sense you can alter your non-poem to something less insulting to someone who doesn't understand metaphor. "Derided" would do, and it was certainly true often enough, if that's a point you really want to make about her. Of course Nay understands metaphor, even mine, and I understand his. Surely you're asking me to censor my verses, which I thought had gone out of fashion a while ago ... no? Look, Nay started his verse with: I feel so sorry
Not that I particularly liked Jean
and commented strangely at oddsI picked up/reflected these sentiments in my verse, and heavily qualified hated in the next few lines. If Nay is distraught about this, which I'd wager he's not, I'll apologise to him (not anyone else) here or in a PM. Let's get this clear: your and Nay's personae were arch-enemies of jean's. I felt only friendship and solidarity, but that's just me being sloppy-bollocks. |
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