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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 6, 2010 10:30:09 GMT 1
"Invention is always more interesting than reality"
I heard this remark attributed to Roald Dahl on Radio 4 just now.
How true that statement is in the context of the global warming debate that preoccupies so many of us.
The latest in the litany of attacks by warmist propagandists on free thinkers is that we are "anti-science". I am certainly not anti-science. I am, however, anti the "science fiction" invention that so beguiles warmists.
How perfectly boring the "reality" of "normal variation" is to them! Yet this is the paradigm that has yet to be overturned in accounting for how the weather and the climate IS. It has NEVER been overturned, it has merely been temporarily relegated to the back of the bookstore while the gory AGW stuff occupies the front shelves to satisfy the cravings of the sensationalist media and the dumbed down readership alike.
It is no surprise at all that the folks raised on Buffy the vampire slayer, zombies, and the rest of that peculiar genre find it so easy to "believe in" climate catastrophism and apocalypse rather than the repetitive up and down of the variables which actually constitute our climate. What boring lives they must lead if this is the sort of action they have to invent for themselves and for the planet to get through the day.
I will deal with Havelock/Lazarus's supposed indicators of AGW when I get round to it. I have done so many times before with the Roman Warm period, the Mediaeval Warm Period, the Great Dying of the Thermometers, the Hockeystick Illusion, faux sea-level rise etc, etc, etc but these arguments certainly bear repetition and they WILL be repeated so get used to the idea now, folks. AGW is the biggest pseudoscientific debate ever. It will not be swept aside for your comfort.
Start your own threads on matters that concern YOU and I will continue to open threads on the matters that concern me.
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Post by abacus9900 on Sept 6, 2010 10:35:17 GMT 1
I have done so many times before with the Roman Warm period, the Mediaeval Warm Period, the Great Dying of the Thermometers, the Hockeystick Illusion, faux sea-level rise... None of which have any bearing on the current warming Mary.
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Post by havelock on Sept 6, 2010 10:38:44 GMT 1
What boring lives they must lead if this is the sort of action they have to invent for themselves and for the planet to get through the day. Abuse already? I suppose conspiracy theories are much more interesting than boring old science.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 6, 2010 10:53:08 GMT 1
hardly abuse! The FACT that the IPCC clique have been discredited on so many occasions doesn't do much for their "scientific" method. No conspiracy theory required.
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Post by StuartG on Sept 6, 2010 14:05:41 GMT 1
Here's AIC's reference to be found 'elsewhere!'.... www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7981979/A-cunning-bid-to-shore-up-the-ruins-of-the-IPCC.html-------------------------------------------- 'conspiracy theories' Any rational person would say 'it has got past the stage of a theory' . We are not in a criminal court so the 'the balance of probabilities' would be found. As the previous poster [rsmith7] has said in the past 'You couldn't make it up', and generally the British Public have not. You [havelock] are beginning to present Your case as another, of recent memory, as though You are He. StuartG
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Post by havelock on Sept 6, 2010 14:15:07 GMT 1
You [havelock] are beginning to present Your case as another, of recent memory, as though You are He. StuartG Oh gawd, not another one. If you want to start digging up other people's ancient posting history (I'd call it cyber stalking myself) then ask Marchesarosa's friend Pippa for some tips - she's an expert.
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 6, 2010 14:24:07 GMT 1
Pippa can spot sockpuppets very well, thank you, Sprain, and so can I on occasion. Boot on the other foot now?
Marchesarosa (aka Mawkish-posa) was once deemed by YOU to be nay missus or as you called him then "neigh misses" or "name-issus". You like playing with people's board names, don't you, Havelock Lazarus Sprain? More than sixty times in the space of a few days you called me "Scary Mary" in your recent 'Lazarus' resurrection on the BBC Science Board. I call that a bit obsessive myself!
You'll have to learn to cover your tracks better amongst this audience! Your pals don't have the catpee button to protect you here. The proboards are a little more "Wild West" than the protective BBC environment you like. Some of us learned to exist beyond its protective ambience long ago. We learned through being needled and harassed and banned through the activities of the likes of you and your tribe, Lazarus Havelock Sprain.
You'll get no quarter here no matter how you try to spam this new board with your "Climate Consensus" links. And you'll find your threads quickly drop to the bottom of the board because they are deeply boring. How many times can your pals find a new and interesting variant on "yes, I agree with that and marchesarosa is a liar/troll/tart"?
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Post by havelock on Sept 6, 2010 14:59:46 GMT 1
Pippa can spot sockpuppets very well, thank you, Sprain, and so can I on occasion. Boot on the other foot now? Marchesarosa (aka Mawkish-posa) was once deemed by YOU to be nay missus or as you called him then "neigh misses" or "name-issus". You like playing with people's board names, don't you, Havelock Lazarus Sprain? More than sixty times in the space of a few days you called me "Scary Mary" in your recent 'Lazarus' resurrection on the BBC Science Board. I call that a bit obsessive myself! You'll have to learn to cover your tracks better amongst this audience! Your pals don't have the catpee button to protect you here. The proboards are a little more "Wild West" than the protective BBC environment you like. Some of us learned to exist beyond its protective ambience long ago. We learned through being needled and harassed and banned through the activities of the likes of you and your tribe, Lazarus Havelock Sprain. You'll get no quarter here no matter how you try to spam this new board with your "Climate Consensus" links. And you'll find your threads quickly drop to the bottom of the board because they are deeply boring. How many times can your pals find a new and interesting variant on "yes, I agree with that and marchesarosa is a liar/troll/tart"? I am not a sock puppet I am not Lazarus I am not Sprain Please desist and just address the science
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Post by StuartG on Sept 6, 2010 15:11:35 GMT 1
Dear Sooty, ' Boot on the other foot now?' Sock.. Regards Sweep
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 6, 2010 15:13:39 GMT 1
When you RESPOND to other boarders in good faith instead of as if you were compiling a reading list for a Friends of the Earth or WEA evening class i'm sure you get it back in spades.
Your opponents here are already well-read and not susceptible to your apologetics.
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Post by havelock on Sept 6, 2010 15:17:34 GMT 1
When you RESPOND to other boarders in good faith instead of as if you were compiling a reading list for a Friends of the Earth or WEA evening class i'm sure you get it back in spades. Your opponents here are already well-read and not susceptible to your apologetics. I have not begun a single thread on this board so I have no idea what you are talking about. I have only responded to threads. I have never used the words ScaryMary in any post on any board other here and now. Just lay off me and stick to the science
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 6, 2010 15:26:24 GMT 1
"I have never used the words ScaryMary in any post on any board other here and now".
Oh, I must be confusing you with someone else!
What was Havelock's ID on the BBC Sceince Board then? does anyone know?
Until someone tell us otherwise I'll assume "Lazarus Havelock" IS "Havelock Lazarus". If I can put up with "Scary Mary" sixty times in a few days, you can put up with your duplicate ID here. Be a mensch!
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Post by havelock on Sept 6, 2010 15:35:43 GMT 1
"Invention is always more interesting than reality" I heard this remark attributed to Roald Dahl on Radio 4 just now. To return to the subject of the thread, one could use this exact same quote to define those that believe AGW is a hoax/conspiracy rather than the boring truth. However, I'm struggling to see how this relates to science unless we are going to discuss the mindset of those who prefer to make up interesting things rather than accept the boring truth. I'm not that well up on psychology though so I'll leave this one to others.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 7, 2010 19:41:24 GMT 1
I don't believe AGW is a hoax or a conspiracy, I believe the UN have decided (correctly) that oil is running out and we need to be frightened into changing our habits (incorrect). The fact that every eco-loony and lefty on the planet has jumped onto the bandwagon to further their cause is obvious.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 7, 2010 19:43:22 GMT 1
Would that make AGW a hoax and a conspiracy?
(I'd like to put "and" in itallics but don't know how.)
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