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Post by StuartG on Sept 15, 2010 17:16:06 GMT 1
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 15, 2010 19:48:56 GMT 1
£azarus,
Would you prefer wind at 50p/unit...or tidal at £1/unit?
Or wouldn't nuclear, at 5p/unit, be best?
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Post by principled on Sept 15, 2010 20:05:06 GMT 1
"Will the adoption of alternative energy generation also generate jobs and improve the economy on the whole?" Lazarus There has been only one comprehensive study of "green" job creation and this was by the University of Juan Carlos (see link). It does not make good reading. Every green job created has cost the Spanish Gov. around 1/2 million pounds! The report suggests that the USA will lose 2.2 jobs for every green job that replaces them. I just wonder if the Luddites are those who believe the green hype? www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090327-employment-public-aid-renewable.pdfAs it's a PDF, you may have to download it separately. P |
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Post by StuartG on Sept 15, 2010 20:22:25 GMT 1
See what You mean P, the bottom line is the 'bottom line'...
'24. Renewables consume enormous taxpayer resources. In Spain, the average
annuity payable to renewables is equivalent to 4.35% of all VAT collected,
3.45% of the household income tax, or 5.6% of the corporate income tax for
2007.'
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Post by lazarus on Sept 16, 2010 15:43:45 GMT 1
Or wouldn't nuclear, at 5p/unit, be best? If you can get nuclear at 5p I'll take it. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 16, 2010 17:33:09 GMT 1
If the UK was 100% nuclear, the electicity price would be less than 5p/unit.
Will you and your employers be supporting the newbuild nuclear plants?
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 16, 2010 17:39:13 GMT 1
I would doubt 5p. 10+ maybe.
The nuclear industry has never been very profitable. I don't think anybody has even suggested privatising BNFL.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 16, 2010 17:46:57 GMT 1
The nuclear generators are building plant without a penny of subsidy. They don't need it. Total cost of generation including decommisioning is just over 2p/unit (Royal Academy of Engineers Report) Maintaining the grid would cost a bit but... I think they'd do alright at 5p  |
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 16, 2010 17:51:10 GMT 1
Are you sure about that?. Isn't the new Finnish plant only going ahead because of price guarantees for its output?. Isn't it well over budget and late?. Siemens have pulled out.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 16, 2010 18:01:37 GMT 1
It's well over budget and late because of continued litigation by the ever helpful green lobby I expect. I'll check.
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Post by lazarus on Sept 16, 2010 18:47:07 GMT 1
Total cost of generation including decommisioning is just over 2p/unit (Royal Academy of Engineers Report) Isn't that the same report that has wind and tidal at about 7p, and not the 50p or £1 you have claimed?  |
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 16, 2010 19:22:41 GMT 1
7p (if right?..sounds low) is about double that of gas.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 16, 2010 21:54:58 GMT 1
That's the one £azarus. I don't know how they worked out the 7p per unit figure when wind receives 1 ROC per unit generated at least. www.enviros.com/PDF/BN020RenewablesObligation.pdfOnshore wind 45p/unit Offshore wind 67.5p/unit Tidal and other useless technology £90p/unit. And you support this lunacy, £azarus?  ?? |
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