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Post by lazarus on Sept 13, 2010 17:21:21 GMT 1
Good video showing some of the latests, mostly electric cars. They look like fun and cheap to run if you are not going to far. I wouldn't fancy waiting hours for a recharge; www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11279436 |
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 13, 2010 17:51:28 GMT 1
Eco cars?? That is a laugh.
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Post by lazarus on Sept 13, 2010 19:09:51 GMT 1
Make that 3 posters.
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 13, 2010 19:16:17 GMT 1
A green as Drax.
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Post by StuartG on Sept 13, 2010 20:16:23 GMT 1
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 13, 2010 23:19:04 GMT 1
Where on Earth does the idea come from that EVs are green and that you can do 80 miles for a quid?
I have looked at the costs and EVs are much more expensive per mile than petrol cars of similar size.
What planet do some people live on?
Don't fall for the hype.
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Post by StuartG on Sept 13, 2010 23:43:11 GMT 1
Sorry Pumbles, I just like the idea of an electric vehicle. Like You things have got to make sense economically. Its the approach to the 'green'* argument that at least can be enjoyed. When a kid I always wanted a milk float, still do. I used to work on one [not allowed nowadays 8/9/10 yr olds]. Drink as much milk as I liked.
Stuart
'Green' is an hi-jacked word like 'Gay'. I had a gf called Gay at 14-15, and I was green!
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 13, 2010 23:50:05 GMT 1
I might like the idea of EVs but they make little sense econonically or technologically.
For every 500 Watts reaching the wheel of an EV over 1000 Watts of mainly dirty sourced energy is required to spin the alternators in a power station.
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Post by StuartG on Sept 14, 2010 0:03:15 GMT 1
"technologically"
Some good will come of it, say improvement of traction motors, batt tech, in short 'they will learn a lot from not making it viable' if You like. The technology will not go amiss. All R&D is a loss, in a financial sense, if for no other reason than someone comes along and 'niks' the idea, makes the money. eg. Our 'bod' gets soft chocolate bar in His pocket, the Nippons and Chinese make the money on 'Microwaves'.
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 14, 2010 0:12:20 GMT 1
I can charge my car (150+ kWH) in one minute and I have almost infinite range. It was less than £8000 new and a workhouse, almost a van..very handy.
The daftest claim is that you can do 80 miles for a quid. Well that ain't green power, must be econony 7 and I gather that has gone up to nearly 5p a kWh so the one quid is more like 4 quid and if you want to be green and pay the proper commercial rate for that the one quid becomes £20. You can't be green and have cheap elec.
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 14, 2010 9:45:32 GMT 1
Cars will have to find an alternative fuel source eventually. That is an undeniable fact. If it's going to be electricity then we're going to need vast amounts of the stuff.
I reject the idea of the human race going backwards to a medievel agrarian nightmare like some of the eco-hippies want. It's not in our nature.
We need a cheap, reliable method of electricity generation and nuclear is the only option, currently. Coal will keep us going for a while after the oil has become un-economical and nuclear fuel is finite (over 1000 years) so we need to get fusion up and running as soon as possible.
Renewable energy is a blind alley put forward by idiots and subversives.
The most pressing task is to get rid of the green movement.
With them hanging off our ankles, we'll acheive nothing.
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 14, 2010 9:56:18 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 14, 2010 10:01:47 GMT 1
Stirling Moss had it right! Battery technology is the achilles heel. But maybe it will advance, until it does, electric cars are dead in the water - along with the offshore wind and wave fantasies, actually. Green pie in the sky.
Electric cars would make us even more dependent upon electricity generation, with all its attendant inefficiencies, than today! Madness. This is not "diversification" it is heading towards ever greater monopoly. No wonder the power generators are backing electric cars!
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Post by pumblechook on Sept 14, 2010 10:47:25 GMT 1
Even if there is a massive breakthrough in batteries there will always be the slow charge problem.
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 14, 2010 11:10:38 GMT 1
It has been suggested elsewhere that a quick "swap" of a full battery for the empty one is the answer to that, pumble.
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