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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 2, 2011 18:03:05 GMT 1
Bullshit? Wallis and Cockerill spent much of the 50's trying to extract energy from the waves. Their conclusion was that it couldn't be done. Nothing's changed. The pelamis concept is an abject failure - as is the "Oyster" system. Not sure about wave power. Could be economically prohibitive, but I will bow to someone more knowledgeable than me. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 2, 2011 19:30:02 GMT 1
The sad thing is, wave energy around our coasts is a massive energy source. Orders of magnitude greater than wind, solar or tidal (put together).
I guess the fact that it smashes all their puny little devices to pieces is testament to that.
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 3, 2011 22:23:12 GMT 1
The sad thing is, wave energy around our coasts is a massive energy source. Orders of magnitude greater than wind, solar or tidal (put together). I guess the fact that it smashes all their puny little devices to pieces is testament to that. I guess that is the problem - you have to be able to convert all that wave energy as efficiently as possible and as economically as possible. I'm no expert but wave power seems to present serious hurdles. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 3, 2011 23:16:07 GMT 1
Absolutely right old bean but that's what we're good at - overcoming hurdles. The problem -scandal to be honest- is that there is no serious effort to engineer devices capable of harnessing the energy of waves.
There is massive effort to harness all the subsidies and grants floating around.....usually in range of a nice coffee house.
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Post by marchesarosa on Mar 5, 2011 19:38:38 GMT 1
Renewables Won't Keep the Lights On JOHN CONSTABLE In private, the best-informed analysts now agree that Britain's environmental policies have put the country on track to have the world's most expensive electricity. This is mainly because our competitors are almost certain to choose cheaper routes to emissions reductions, such as natural gas, or to shun emissions reductions altogether. The Coalition's own Annual Energy Statement for 2010 concedes that by the year 2020, nearly one third of the average domestic electricity bill will consist of green energy charges imposed by law (£160 out of £512, or 31 per cent). Business will be hit even harder, with environmental charges for the average medium-sized non-domestic user accounting for £404,000 out of £1.224 million, or 33 per cent. If other economies are more cautious in loading burdens upon their wealth creators, Britain will be a less attractive place in which to deploy capital, with obvious implications: high green charges on domestic bills might be merely questionable when household income is both stable and generous, but they would surely be indefensible in the context of lower wages and unemployment..... More here: www.standpointmag.co.uk/features-janfeb-11-renewables-will-not-keep-the-lights-on-john-constable-wind-power-energy |
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Post by principled on Mar 6, 2011 0:32:49 GMT 1
Marchesa Didn't you know that this IS government policy? I hear that it was carefully thought through by our Lords and Masters in order to hit the idiotic emissions targets they set us? After a weekend at Chequers, they deciided that driving away industry and commerce, making electricity so expensive that no one heats their homes and making petrol as expensive as bottled water would give us the lowest emissions/person in the developed world. Simples. Just think of all the gongs they will receive ...and the food handouts when we turn the clock back 300 years.  P |
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 6, 2011 9:56:42 GMT 1
Absolutely right old bean but that's what we're good at - overcoming hurdles. The problem -scandal to be honest- is that there is no serious effort to engineer devices capable of harnessing the energy of waves. There is massive effort to harness all the subsidies and grants floating around.....usually in range of a nice coffee house. Do I detect a hint of a conspiracy theory, old boy? |
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Post by marchesarosa on Mar 6, 2011 10:14:57 GMT 1
You don't need a conspiracy, abacus, to understand that certain sectors of the populace are past masters at sniffing out and taking advantage of ill-audited state handouts. And I am not talking about benefits scroungers - but those at the opposite end of the social scale - hangers on of the Establishment, bankers and political elites.
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Post by principled on Mar 6, 2011 12:28:04 GMT 1
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 6, 2011 12:57:07 GMT 1
Well, ok, you'll always get some degree of corruption in any major project, that's just life. |
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 6, 2011 12:58:17 GMT 1
You don't need a conspiracy, abacus, to understand that certain sectors of the populace are past masters at sniffing out and taking advantage of ill-audited state handouts. And I am not talking about benefits scroungers - but those at the opposite end of the social scale - hangers on of the Establishment, bankers and political elites. Maybe it was all just a bureaucratic 'cock-up.' |
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 6, 2011 13:15:23 GMT 1
I'm beginning to think it's part of a concerted move on market capitalism by the left.
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 6, 2011 13:53:40 GMT 1
I'm beginning to think it's part of a concerted move on market capitalism by the left. I think that might be taking things a bit too far. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Mar 6, 2011 15:07:17 GMT 1
Possibly, but the renewables scam is either as described above or stupidity on a truly biblical scale.
I know governments can't run a piss up in a brewery but their energy policy is beyond idiocy.
It has to be intentional and that's deeply worrying.
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Post by abacus9900 on Mar 6, 2011 18:05:17 GMT 1
Possibly, but the renewables scam is either as described above or stupidity on a truly biblical scale. I know governments can't run a piss up in a brewery but their energy policy is beyond idiocy. It has to be intentional and that's deeply worrying. Perhaps it's just that they have a numbers of factors to consider that we are not really aware of. |
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