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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 14:51:50 GMT 1
havelock,
As I said in my previous post, this comes from the actual experience of a friend of mine who actually owns one. Personal contacts and trusted information does not come from the web.
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 14:55:23 GMT 1
"There simply isn't enough energy density in the wind or tide to EVER produce electricity at an affordable level.
Any of you scientists wish to disagree?"
I disagree
I am able to support this point of view because I have had previous conversations with experts in the field but you'll just have to take my word for that as I don't have any links.
[Doesn't really move the debate on though does it?]
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:01:24 GMT 1
havelock,
What do you call an affordable price for electricity given that an estimated 23,000 people died of cold in the UK as a result of the price hike in electricity mainly used to subsidise renewables?
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:02:37 GMT 1
Give me your figures.
I've given you mine....on a science board....with physists and engineers watching.
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:02:56 GMT 1
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:10:47 GMT 1
Isn't it. They say that 10% of the UK's electricity CAPACITY comes from wind. (It's actually nearer 8% but hey ho) Do you know the percentage actually generated? Wait for it...... 0.2% That is not a mis-print. 0.bloody2%!!!!!!!!! And at what cost?  Google - "UK power prepares for a cold wind of change/business/The Observer" I used this in my political campaign to great effect.  I have no qualms about linking to the observer since they are all in favour of renewables and would overstate the production if anything |
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:13:36 GMT 1
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:17:33 GMT 1
Since when did "home" become a unit of energy?
What do they measure the requirement of a "home" as?
The pertinent word is CAPACITY
Their production is a tiny fraction of that.
We have endured a price hike from 7.5p/unit to 12p per unit to subsidise this pitiful production. What's going to happen to our bills if they keep building these things.
Remember they're getting 43p per unit they produce!
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:19:13 GMT 1
From a DECC site, I found this table: UK fuel mix (for comparison) Energy source % Coal 25.8 Natural Gas 47.7 Nuclear 18.0 Renewables 6.6 Other 1.9 If wind power is 0.2% as you say, what is the other 6.4% that is labelled as renewable? (do you have a reference for your 0.2% - I know I'm getting boring in keep repeating this mantra and I don't want to look like I'm calling your honesty into question but times may have moved on since your 0.2% figure was accurate) www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/fuel_mix/fuel_mix.aspx |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:21:33 GMT 1
Eh, are you being obtuse?
That's CAPACITY again.
Production is what they actually PRODUCE.
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:22:36 GMT 1
I also found this statistic "Wind energy now represents 2.5% of all UK electricity production " If you used the 0.2% figure as part of your election campaign, I'm not suprised you weren't succesful as most people would want to vote for somebody who could support their assertions with facts. www.bwea.com/media/news/articles/pr20100729.html |
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:23:58 GMT 1
Eh, are you being obtuse? That's CAPACITY again. Production is what they actually PRODUCE. No it isn't capacity It is production I'm not being obtuse - I'm being precise |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:26:43 GMT 1
I did ok I'm sure the wind production has produced 2.5% at some point. Wouldn't you describe that as derisory from 10% installed CAPACITY? What are your thoughts on them being paid 17 times more than thermally produced electricity and would YOU like to pay 43p per unit for your electricity? |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 8, 2010 15:28:02 GMT 1
. UK fuel mix (for comparison)
Energy source %
Coal 25.8
Natural Gas 47.7
Nuclear 18.0
Renewables 6.6
Other 1.9
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Post by havelock on Sept 8, 2010 15:30:15 GMT 1
I'm sure the wind production has produced 2.5% at some point. Wouldn't you describe that as derisory from 10% installed CAPACITY? Can you tell me where it states there is 10% installed capacity? Not that I distrust your figures but you were clearly mistaken in your belief that production had only been 0.2% when it had been over ten times that amount. |
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