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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 20:24:55 GMT 1
Thanks chloe. Havelock, I'm here to highlight the lies, distortion and propaganda of the green movement - and I will not be distracted.  The readers will make up their own minds who's doing the distracting. Back to -8 Excellent. |
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Post by havelock on Sept 9, 2010 20:29:33 GMT 1
I have no idea Why don't you have a go at finding out this information (from a source you can share with us)? |
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 9, 2010 20:39:05 GMT 1
Reply 104 I knew I recognised that 0.4% figure, chloe! On January 6th 2010 I posted this on Marchesa's Climate Blog thesequal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=climate&thread=207&page=1 Electricity Generation and Green Technologies In a recent 24 hour period these were the percentages of GB electricity generated from various energy sources. Gas 47.8% Coal 28.9% Nuclear 19.6% Wind 0.4% Wind produced a mere 163 megawatts at around midnight last night, against an installed capacity of just over 4 gigawatts. That represents a load factor of four percent. Last June The Guardian was in all seriousness retailing us the government’s claims offshore wind farms could generate one quarter of the UK’s electricity needs. Do you believe either The Guardian or the Government? Answers in one word on the back of a postage stamp. eureferendum.blogspot.com/2010/01/monument-to-folly.htmlDomestic electricity consumption only amounts to 4% of total fuel usage in the UK. |
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Post by havelock on Sept 9, 2010 20:39:58 GMT 1
I'm here to highlight the lies, distortion and propaganda of the green movement Bearing in mind that the only 'facts' you have supplied have been shown to be untrue, I find this difficult to believe. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 21:21:05 GMT 1
I have no idea Why don't you have a go at finding out this information (from a source you can share with us)? Value of one renewable obligation certificate - £47.42 www.e-roc.co.uk/intro.htmA 1MW turbine would receive one renewable obligation certificate per MWhr produced or 47.42p per unit. Will you volunteer to pay this much for your electricity ....or are you a biblical scale hypocrite? |
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Post by havelock on Sept 9, 2010 21:32:29 GMT 1
I believe FiTs and ROCs are political devices
I fail to see any scientific content to your post
Did you read the report that I linked to that predicts UK will be a net exporter of electicity (from marine sources including wind) by 2050?
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 21:52:55 GMT 1
havelock, Haaa haa haa! You really are something |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 21:53:46 GMT 1
You asked for verifiable prices old boy Truth hurt? |
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Post by havelock on Sept 9, 2010 22:08:48 GMT 1
havelock, Haaa haa haa! You really are something Yup, I'm trying to discuss science on a science board - not politics I'm also trying to correct blatant untruths I'm more succesful on the latter as the former requires a debating partner that also wants to discuss science. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 22:13:58 GMT 1
We're debating the usefulness of wind/tidal generators as you well know. The cost of generation and price paid for electricity produced are essential to this debate. If you say they aren't, then you're an idiot. |
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Post by havelock on Sept 9, 2010 22:41:56 GMT 1
I believe current prices have been fixed by political means.
The report I linked to earlier said that the UK could be sitting on a £1 billion resource of marine electricity. Have a read through the summary and let me know what you think
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 9, 2010 23:29:02 GMT 1
Well lets agree that wind turbine technology has more or less peaked and that raw material and construction costs will rise in the future and that no turbine would ever be built without subsidy.
What scientific or economic parameter will change to make them produce AFFORDABLE energy.
Surely you agree that there is no point in producing energy that no-one can afford?
Or are we talking about some new form of society where economics are irellevant?
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Post by lazarus on Sept 10, 2010 2:45:54 GMT 1
3p per Kwh on shore 5.1p per Kwh off shore (+ or - 10%) www.bwea.com/ref/econ.htmlIf you don't like the web site find a credible one of your own (that would make a change) and I'll accept that value. |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 10, 2010 6:36:40 GMT 1
Through the Renewables Obligation, British electricity suppliers are now required by law to provide a proportion of their sales from renewable sources such as wind power or pay a penalty fee. The supplier then receives a Renewables Obligation Certificate (ROC) for each MWh of electricity they have purchased. The Energy Act 2008 introduced banded ROCs for different technologies from April 2009. Onshore wind continues to receive 1 ROC per MWh, however offshore wind now receives 1.5 ROCs, while small wind systems under 50 kW currently receive 2 ROCs. Wind energy receives approximately one third of the total revenue generated by the RO. The ROCs are the principal form of support for UK wind power, providing around half of the revenue from wind generation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_the_United_KingdomAll Microgeneration technologies stations (50kW or less total installed capacity) are to receive 2 ROC’s per MWh generated from the 1st April 2009 (subject to Parliamentary time and approval). www.less-co2.co.uk/rocs.aspNorthern Ireland government now offer 4 ROCs per MWH, click here for further information. www.windni.com/about_faq.htmlOne ROC is worth £47.25 per MWhror 47.25p per unit of electricity |
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Post by rsmith7 on Sept 10, 2010 6:41:52 GMT 1
I'm afraid the Northern Irish government are re-enforcing a stereotype.
Before these "incentives" were introduced, there were NO wind turbines in the UK on a commercial scale.
Why?
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