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Post by Progenitor A on Apr 30, 2018 14:10:15 GMT 1
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Post by jonjel on May 1, 2018 11:35:06 GMT 1
She is the gift that just keeps on giving. Why she still has a job, any job is beyond comprehension.
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Post by jean on May 1, 2018 12:44:50 GMT 1
I told you this was the board where you'd feel most at home, jonjel!
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Post by jonjel on May 1, 2018 14:29:17 GMT 1
I told you this was the board where you'd feel most at home, jonjel! Oh yes Jean, but I do like to be where I am not welcome and get a few hackles up from time to time! Strange that all has fallen silent after my last little knuckle rap.  |
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Post by mrsonde on May 1, 2018 17:42:36 GMT 1
I can't follow that little exchange, or why jonjel would imagine he might not be perfectly welcome here. But it's hard to diagnose with any confidence what's going on with Abbott. For the past few years it's uncannily appeared to be a familiar course of progressing Alzheimer's; but a few months ago she seemed to have made a remarkable recovery - and then back again. Now I suspect it may be a serious drink problem, one that presumably, to these days have it not widely broadcast, she conducts in private. Or a dependency on painkillers, uppers or downers, something of that sort - the condition that accounts for most of Nixon's - for example - bizarre behaviour.
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Post by Progenitor A on May 1, 2018 17:56:59 GMT 1
I can't follow that little exchange, or why jonjel would imagine he might not be perfectly welcome here. But it's hard to diagnose with any confidence what's going on with Abbott. For the past few years it's uncannily appeared to be a familiar course of progressing Alzheimer's; but a few months ago she seemed to have made a remarkable recovery - and then back again. Now I suspect it may be a serious drink problem, one that presumably, to these days have it not widely broadcast, she conducts in private. Or a dependency on painkillers, uppers or downers, something of that sort - the condition that accounts for most of Nixon's - for example - bizarre behaviour. I agree with you Nick - there is something wrong with her - the long pauses whilst she thinks then expressing her thouGhts as a vapid empty-headednes. She appeArs unfit for Public Office |
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Post by mrsonde on May 2, 2018 5:30:32 GMT 1
Yes, she's always been as daft as a brush in her views and argmentative style, rather like that Yasmin Alibhai Brown oddity, but, until fairly recently, seemingly compos mentis. Now there's some sort of disconnect somewhere - something doesn't compute, Captain.
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Post by jean on May 2, 2018 8:51:09 GMT 1
Whereas Trump, on the other hand...
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Post by mrsonde on May 2, 2018 9:23:41 GMT 1
Well? Trump, "on the other hand", has done everything he promised he'd do - or is in the process of trying his damnedest to. He's reduced immigration, started to build his wall, grown the economy by 4%, boosted the wages of working people for the first time this century, slashed government expenditure on itself, stymied unbalanced trade deals, forced China to liberalise its markets to the US, is making the EU do the same, has brought N.Korea to the negotiation table, is probably going to successfully force Iran to do the same, has cut taxes for the first time since Reagan, while increasing revenues, has expanded the budget for the military, is withdrawing from Iraq, and trying his hardest to do the same in Afghanistan, has recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as Clinton, Bush, and Obama all promised they'd do, but didn't even pretend to try, and has at least put forward the budget for infrastructure spending he said he would. Now, you might disagree with all those policies, though you've so far been totally unable to say why, but it is the program on which he was elected. You claim his policies are "incoherent" - though again you're totally unable to say why - but, so far, they seem to be working.
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Post by jean on May 2, 2018 12:41:51 GMT 1
The point of comparison between these two isn't what promises may or may not have been made or kept.
It is the more or less convincing appearance given by each of them of being not quite compos mentis.
(We now know of course that the 'astonishingly excellent' health enjoyed by the President is his own estimate, not his doctor's.)
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Post by fascinating on May 2, 2018 15:35:44 GMT 1
Well? Trump, "on the other hand", has done everything he promised he'd do - or is in the process of trying his damnedest to. He's reduced immigration, started to build his wall, grown the economy by 4%, boosted the wages of working people for the first time this century, slashed government expenditure on itself, stymied unbalanced trade deals, forced China to liberalise its markets to the US, is making the EU do the same, has brought N.Korea to the negotiation table, is probably going to successfully force Iran to do the same, has cut taxes for the first time since Reagan, while increasing revenues, has expanded the budget for the military, is withdrawing from Iraq, and trying his hardest to do the same in Afghanistan, has recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as Clinton, Bush, and Obama all promised they'd do, but didn't even pretend to try, and has at least put forward the budget for infrastructure spending he said he would. Now, you might disagree with all those policies, though you've so far been totally unable to say why, but it is the program on which he was elected. You claim his policies are "incoherent" - though again you're totally unable to say why - but, so far, they seem to be working. The economy grew by 2.6% in the past 12 months up to Q4(Economist). Wages of working people rose in 2016, under Obama. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/dec/12/nancy-pelosi/have-wages-failed-go-donald-trumps-watch/ |
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Post by mrsonde on May 2, 2018 22:40:46 GMT 1
The point of comparison between these two isn't what promises may or may not have been made or kept. That's handy, because Abbott hasn't been in any position to either make or keep any, has she? According to you. I've not observed anything like that from Trump, as far as I'm concerned. I've never heard or seen anything - a single thing - that he has done to make me doubt his mental capacities. I don't believe anyone else has either, but do enlighten us. You do, do you? You've read his health report, have you? |
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Post by mrsonde on May 2, 2018 22:51:12 GMT 1
Well? Trump, "on the other hand", has done everything he promised he'd do - or is in the process of trying his damnedest to. He's reduced immigration, started to build his wall, grown the economy by 4%, boosted the wages of working people for the first time this century, slashed government expenditure on itself, stymied unbalanced trade deals, forced China to liberalise its markets to the US, is making the EU do the same, has brought N.Korea to the negotiation table, is probably going to successfully force Iran to do the same, has cut taxes for the first time since Reagan, while increasing revenues, has expanded the budget for the military, is withdrawing from Iraq, and trying his hardest to do the same in Afghanistan, has recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, as Clinton, Bush, and Obama all promised they'd do, but didn't even pretend to try, and has at least put forward the budget for infrastructure spending he said he would. Now, you might disagree with all those policies, though you've so far been totally unable to say why, but it is the program on which he was elected. You claim his policies are "incoherent" - though again you're totally unable to say why - but, so far, they seem to be working. The economy grew by 2.6% in the past 12 months up to Q4(Economist). 3.4% is the accepted figure for 2017. And accelerating. By deliberate focussed one-off pay-packet bonuses as part of his strictly limited stimulation package, not as a result of overall budgetary fiscal policy. They weren't paid any more - on the contrary, they were paid less, given inflation. The government simply chose, temporarily, to take less from their wage packets. This isn't the case under Trump's new tax regime - wages are higher, thanks to his slashing of corporation tax, some of which at least has been divvied out to the workers, and taxes are lower. Workers were slightly better off for about 18 months under Obama's measures - otherwise, they saw a steady decline in purchasing power in the other six. They also saw a huge increase in their obligated expenditure due to Obamacare, of course - and this inflationary leap in the cost of living enveloped the middle classes and self-employed most of all. Trump's reversed that, at least for the working class, and he's trying to do the same for the middle class. This is the president with the most concerted and fiercest opposition in history, without question - what he's managed to achieve despite all that, legitimate and extra-legal, is fairly astonishing, I think. My list below was by no means complete. At this rate he'll go down as the most effective dynamic transformative president ever, and, barring an economic collapse - due to that Ponzi scheme (largely if not solely down to Obama) finally bursting - he'll be unbeatable at the next election. (I recall when May extended her invitation to Trump for a State visit Any Questions posing one of their straw polls and a clear majority were against it. Last week Dimbleby posed the same question and according to his estimate there were at most 3% against it. The same shift in judgement is happening in the States - all over the Western world, I'd wager.) |
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Post by aquacultured on May 2, 2018 23:43:42 GMT 1
mrsonde, in your posts on Trump you seem to be in denial about widespread worries about his character, truthfulness, duplicity, reliability, stability, and respect for law, equality and decency.
I'm assuming you're compos mentis?
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Post by mrsonde on May 3, 2018 0:09:22 GMT 1
mrsonde, in your posts on Trump you seem to be in denial about widespread worries about his character, truthfulness, duplicity, reliability, stability, and respect for law, equality and decency. Hi again Aqua, nice to chat with you again. I do not deny there are widespread concerns about any of the above. I do dney they have any discernible justification - at least, for most of the above. Shall we take them one by one? Character - an unusual one, to be sure. I see nothing in it to be particularly concerned about, unlike many past Presidents - Johnson, Nixon, both Bushes, Clinton, for just recent examples. Truthfulness - compared to the every President in my lifetime at the very least? Nothing to worry about. Duplicity - I've not come across any indication of such. Reliability - ditto. Stability - ditto. Respect for law - I've not come across any instance of Trump having broken the law. Unlike most of the Presidents in my lifetime at least. For equality - he seems exemplary. For decency - he screws around a bit. It doesn't bother me, frankly. He seems fairly saintly compared to Clinton, Kennedy, Eisenhower, etc. etc. He was caught making an off-colour remark about some women letting "stars" grab their pussies - well, they do, to be blunt, as we all surely understand. I - errr - understand Trump, I get where he's coming from, and what his instictive values are. Much of America does, because it's founded on those instincts, and still largely values them, despite the immense pressure to erode them. Look - I'll be frank. I'm an astrologer - rather, I'm a scientific researcher into astrology. It's the best and most direct method we have or probably ever will have into analysing what motivates someone, and what constitutes their "character". Most people don't understand Trump - I get that. He's unusual - he's very unusual.He's have been a leader in whatever field he'd chosen to enter. He's a very strong Uranian character. You either appreciate that, or it scares you, because it doesn't give a damn about what you believe is important - what other people think of you, what's allowed, what's "decent", what's traditional and accepted, what's "proper" and what's frowned upon. They have a different set of values, and a different set of motivationss from most people. He doesn't give a damn about money, for example - he really doesn't. Or his personal security, or his status, or what people think of him. This is very unusual. They're free, often surprisingly, disconcertingly so; they're their own person - they're not interested in what's proper or traditional or expected or allowed by authorities. They want to get things done, and improve things. And they do - because they're free, and effective, and inspiring. Eventually, if they're in positions of leadership, people usually come round to their points of view - wow, you did that, despite all that opposition, you changed things for the better, thankyou. Kennedy, Roosevelt, Churchill - these are the leaders that stand out. For their strength, and individuality, and free-thinking resolute independent decisiveness. Stanley Milgram in his experiments demonstrating the readiness of people to go along with totalitarian orders pointed out that only about a third of people at most had the strength of will and individual integrity to resist the pressures of conformity to the authoritarian weight of obedience - they're the Uranians. |
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