Jean's marvellous wonderful Theories about how Music works

[mrsonde]

Take it away, Maestro.

[mrsonde]

Come on!

Let's start with this:

and I did (very politely) ask you, and Nay

I think you're lying again. Confused about the meaning of ask again, perhaps, at best. Provide the link to these remarkable deviations from your characteristic truculence, please, if you would.

[mrsonde]

You lie, yet again. I have demonstrated, mathematically, that your claims about music are wrong - actually, factually wrong. For just one obvious example, the notes you claim to sing correctly according to your "theory" about how music works ... I have demonstrated to be wrong notes...

Don't be silly. You couldn't possibly have done that, as you've never heard me sing.

You made the claim. I don't need to hear you make such a mistake, ffs. You've claimed to sing the note as notated according to the prescribed interval on the score. I've shown you how that note so prescribed would be several c/S out, and would be recognised by anyone with normal hearing as being incorrect. You've yet to respond to this simple fact, either to explain how you know it's incorrect, so you don't actually sing it, or how you know which note is correct instead. The issue between us is of course what it is you "know" when you perform this, to you, inexplicable feat. Can you do so now?

[mrsonde]

You've claimed to sing the note as notated according to the prescribed interval on the score. I've shown you how that note so prescribed would be several c/S out, and would be recognised by anyone with normal hearing as being incorrect.
And I have explained to you many times that the tiny adjustments necessary when singing unaccompanied are wwell within the compass of the note as written.

You've yet to respond to thatsimple fact.

I refuted that false claim, by showing you, mathematically, that such an adjustment is often more than a semi-tone out. None of this is annotated on the score, yet you and everyone else knows - hears - it. How is this possible? Answer a question for once, please.

[mrsonde]

The adjustments are made by ear. All singers and players of non-fixed-pitch instruments do this instinctively.
grasp thatsimple fact.

I do grasp it! I explain it! What I'm asking you is: how do you explain it? According to your theory, that correct musical notes are determined by scalar intervals, rather than harmonically, such "corrections" are inexplicable, and shouldn't in fact even occur. Right? So how do you explain this instinctive "correction"? Why is the correction required, and what is it a correction to?

[mrsonde]

I refuted that false claim, by showing you, mathematically, that such an adjustment is often more than a semi-tone out. None of this is annotated on the score, yet you and everyone else knows - hears - it. How is this possible? Answer a question for once, please.

I've just told you! And it's never as much as a semitone.

Yes it is, often. I gave you an example. I'll do so again if you want.

(But what are you doing talking about semirones? You don't beileve in intervals, remember.)

Huh? You're completely lost, aren't you? Do you actually know what an "interval" is?

[jean]

...But I'm not interested in your new thread - there are plenty of unfinished old ones hanging around.

You didn't say whether you wanted me to dig them up.

[mrsonde]

Jul 20, 2018 18:55:41 GMT 1 jean said:

...But I'm not interested in your new thread - there are plenty of unfinished old ones hanging around.

You didn't say whether you wanted me to dig them up.

I said anything you want "finished", paste the issue you're waiting to be resolved. No need to "dig anything up" - what is it that you think remains to be answered?

[jean]

I’m not going to spoonfeed you any more.

The threads are easy enough to find.

[mrsonde]

Jul 20, 2018 19:54:29 GMT 1 jean said:

I’m not going to spoonfeed you any more.

The threads are easy enough to find.

Who's looking for them? You say you're waiting for a response to something? What?

[jean]

Oh, you could find them easily enough.

But I quite understand that you don't want to, since I so satisfactorily and conclusively refute your assertions.