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Post by nickrr on Jun 10, 2012 11:06:03 GMT 1
Except that you are using it to imply that AGW isn't happening:
so you are trying to falsely link it with climate.
It's not a coincidence that you started a thread to report on abnormally cold events rather than warm events. The latter would go against your agenda.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 10, 2012 11:42:56 GMT 1
I am merely reporting one example of "extremes of weather", nick. In this case, snow and low temperatures.
Extremes of weather are ubiquitous! In fact extremes of weather are actually the norm.
In the UK this year we have had Saharan temperatures for a week in March, the wettest April and the coldest May. We have had drought declared and then been inundated with floods. It is still cold and wet well into Flaming June.
All this is merely weather.
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Post by StuartG on Jun 10, 2012 23:28:44 GMT 1
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Post by StuartG on Jun 11, 2012 21:32:30 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 12, 2012 16:44:42 GMT 1
Wonderfully empty roads, stu!
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Post by StuartG on Jun 12, 2012 17:23:10 GMT 1
4.4 million people in roughly the same space as the UK. [approximately 61,113,205 pop.]
3.9 million beef cattle 6.2 million dairy cattle 31.1 million sheep ...in 2011
Four legs good - two legs bad.
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 8, 2012 20:40:24 GMT 1
Winter Hits Early On Three Continents…Cold, Snow And Blizzard Conditions Hit China, New York And The UKBy P Gosselin on 8. November 2012 As snow falls over New Jersey and other parts of the mid-Atlantic states, the Northeast USA is not the only region being visited early by old man winter. Winter visits early. (Illustration photo, source: NOAA). Heavy snows have also hit China, hitting Peking with full force, according to German online Bild daily, which writes: Snow Alarm in China! The capital Peking has been paralyzed by a winterstorm. [...] The situation is worse in the countryside regions of North China. In the Yanqing region 47 cm of snow fell in just a few hours, entire villages have been cut off, thousands are without power and heat. [...] A group of Japanese tourists got caught in drifting snow while on the Great Wall; three women froze to death.” Winter also paid an early visit last weekend in England, reports the Daily Mail, with snow falling in the South and West Country, including in Somerset, Dorset, Wiltshire and Devon. The Mail writes that “the snowfall was England’s fifth in nine days amid an early winter”. and that “temperatures plunged to -5.6C last night at Aboyne, Aberdeenshire, with -4.3C Redesdale Camp, Northumberland, and -0.9C at Brize. The Weather Service says temperatures are up to 5°C below normal. Snow was also reported in Gloucestershire and Dorset, with “up to six inches in Somerset in Bath, Frome, Midsomer Norton and the Mendip Hills” The Mail quotes. Charlie Powell, forecaster at the Met Office: It has been incredibly cold recently and the snow was caused by an area of low pressure coming in from the North West.” And adds: More snow is due on higher ground in the North by Friday, with mainly below-average temperatures expected for the whole of November.” Britain’s early winter is being enhanced by a mid-Atlantic high pressure preventing mild south-westerly winds from reaching Britain, and is pumping in Arctic air from Greenland. So much for snow being a thing of the past at the middle latitudes. Indeed winter is making early appearances not only locally, but globally. Odd signs of warming, wouldn’t you say? Barg Humer replies The snow was a bit early here in Sweden too, but it didn’t last long and now the temperatures are up again. I don’t think that more snow is evidence against GW, or even earlier winters etc., it is that it was not predicted by the models except with hindsight that casts doubt on those AWG prophets of doom and the authoritative IPCC.More warmth could logically cause more moisture in the air which then gets dumped in the areas that are cold enough to do it. Unfortunatey it could become a new paradigm, and everyone blaming the cold and snow on AGW. I suspect AGW is not falsifiable so any change can be made to fit.
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Post by alancalverd on Nov 9, 2012 8:44:02 GMT 1
The problem with all the IPCC-approved models is that they don't take full account of atmospheric water, so they are fundamentally useless. There happened to be a short-term correlation between anthropogenic CO2 emission and measured temperature trends, which advanced many spurious careers in climatology, politics and subsidy-farming, but correlation does not establish causation.
If you are a True Believer, everything you observe is due to anthropogenic CO2, but it moves in Mysterious Ways that an infidel cannot comprehend.
If you are a scientist, or even stayed awake at school, you know that climate is controlled by atmospheric water, is inherently unstable between limits, and is completely out of our control or influence.
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 9, 2012 10:26:48 GMT 1
This makes you a denier, Mr Calverd. Welcome on board.
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Post by alancalverd on Nov 9, 2012 12:08:54 GMT 1
I reject the term.
I cannot deny that the climate is changing. It always has, and always must, so only a fool or a liar could deny the facts.
But only a fool or a liar would assert that a local short-term correlation in partial data proves anthropogenic CO2 to be a significant cause of that change.
Politicians are not fools, but a convenient lie always helps to raise taxes. Hence Kyoto, and the sanctification of Jonathan Porritt.
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Post by principled on Nov 9, 2012 18:45:48 GMT 1
My daughter reports 20cm of snow yesterday and 25cm expected today. Last year they had hardly any. This is, of course, weather and not climate, so there is no connection at all. Feel better already! P
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 10, 2012 10:38:23 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with denying the patently absurd, Mr Calverd. It's an intellectual and moral necessity.
I went to a panel talk by Jonathan Porritt + a LU climate economist + a LU glaciologist last week at Leeds University with two new pals, Rog and Ian, aka the Leeds Climateers. Porritt said we had to have a zero growth growth economy. I asked him what a zero growth economy meant on a planet with a rapidly growing population. Err, umm....
My own answer would have been "totalitarian disaster". Even the UK's population is projected to grow by another 1 million souls in the next few decades, in the rest of the world it will be close to another billion. With zero growth where will the new jobs be for the new generations? The whole world would end up like the North African and Middle Eastern states when the birth rate is so astronomical that extraordinarily high unemployment rates are endemic there with all that means for social discontent and susceptibility to political extremism because the demographic is that more than half the population are teenagers or children!
People with easy answers like Porritt are prats. Just as with climate every aspect of the social world is intimately connected to every other and you meddle at your peril. Even a nation like China which has made sterling efforts to control its unsustainable population growth is finding unintended consequences in the now unbalanced sex ratio and the over-rapid ageing of the population which is problematic in a state that has no welfare state but where care of the elderly, until now, has been the job of the family. Now the single children are finding it hard to look after mum and keep the job going! Nightmare. Some of that extraordinarily rapid growth in China's wealth will clearly now have to go into a rapid expansion of social care or euthanasia!
But this is entirely off topic rambling! Let's get back to the snow.
P.S. Only the glaciologist spoke sense. Only he was unalarmist, admitting that sea levels could go either up or down! Now there's a change of tone!
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 26, 2012 18:47:19 GMT 1
Dr. Don Easterbrook writes: 19 Dec 2012
In Washington state we have our own version of “ski areas will be a thing of the past”. For the past several years, the Univ of Washington climate group has been posting bogus claims of severe snow drought in the Cascades despite above average snowfall. They just posted another prediction that skiing will be a thing of the past, and shortly thereafter we got 80 inches of snow in 7 days, so much that it toppled about 100 tress across the road and closed the road to the ski area. We now have 176 inches, reportedly ahead (for the date) of the world record year of 1100 inches.
So much for the end of skiing!
Don
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Post by principled on Dec 27, 2012 2:26:05 GMT 1
Marchesa, there is certainly no lack of snow where I am in Canada at the moment. The temperatures have not been above -20C since I arrived 12 days ago, and I am informed that this may be the coldest winter for over 40 years! I'm not complaining mind you. I think the dry, crisp air and the bright sunshine beat the rain you're having in the UK at the moment.
As many posters may not have experienced snow at such low temps, I thought you may like a couple of observations. 1) With such cold air all moisture in the air freezes and giving rise to beautiful, minute ice crystals falling quite often. When the sun hits them at certain angles they glisten and take on an almost diamond quality as they gradually fall. 2) At these low temps, the snow itself is very fine and has a consistency of icing sugar. It does not stick together, so no snowballs or snowmen. Neither does it "stick" to clothing or the ground. I've just cleaned a driveway and it's a bit like sweeping sand. You look at the broom expecting to see slush as in the UK and there is nothing. It's really quite strange.
I hope you had an enjoyable Christmas and have a Happy New Year. P
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 27, 2012 10:17:24 GMT 1
Lovely to hear from you, principled! And thanks for the description of snow and icy air.
You are right, in the north of England, anyway, it has been rather glum and rainy/damp! Enjoy your holiday, too!
I wonder if a visit to Antarctica does anything to make climate alarmists change their tune?
I noticed what I considered a tiny sign of progress watching the first of the Royal Institution Christmas lectures for Children yesterday.
A Chemist called Dr Peter Wothers was telling kids about the composition of the air and other stuff about the periodic table.
He had one little girl up to help and was asking her about the main components of the air. She got oxygen, OK. It's about 21%. Then suggested CO2. No not that one, dearie. Nitrogen next at 78%. She suggested CO2 again! No not that, yet. Guesses from the audience - Argon makes up most of the rest! Of course, CO2 is VERY important because it makes the plant grow, dear! But it's only 0.03% of the atmosphere.
Quite amazing, a discussion of the composition of the atmosphere and not a mention of global warming or "climate change" to be found only that CO2 is plant food! The kid must have been surprised she kept getting the answer wrong. I wonder if she, like the warmists who occasionally visit Antarctica, suffered a little reality check? I do hope so and all the rest of the kids in the audience, too!
Maybe their visit to the Royal Institution might get mentioned in their next science class.
However, it is possible that CO2 will get it's usual bad press in one of the subsequent lectures. We'll see.
All the best, principled!
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