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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 5, 2011 11:40:43 GMT 1
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Post by Mr Red on Jan 19, 2011 12:00:42 GMT 1
I can remember my mother being paranoiac about switching-off lights, because she was raised by Victorian parents who had very little money, and she lived through the depression and WWII. Electricity was a LUXURY and expensive - relatively.
That produced a culture of self-sufficiency. In food, in candles, and in entertaining themselves. And community - anyone remember what that was?
Solutions of back-up power supplies for homes are a sign of rampant profligacy. There are parallels in financial situations & debt from a refusal to heed the situation that leads to negative equity and misery if not depression.
Back-up supplies for our emergency services is a nicety we all want but backup for the home should be a plan. Continue as you were at all cost is a ME generation philosphy - and we all pay for it.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 19, 2011 12:33:31 GMT 1
Yes the cost is awful - Increased health and happiness, lower child mortality and increased prosperity.
Much better to go back to Victorian levels of poverty, disease and misery.
Utopia, eh?
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Post by eamonnshute on Jan 19, 2011 12:44:48 GMT 1
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 19, 2011 12:55:20 GMT 1
As usual the beeb are wrong.
Jan 2010 I paid 43.6p/litre
Today's price 56p/litre.
28.4% increase.
As a matter of interest, what do you see as the solution?
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Post by eamonnshute on Jan 19, 2011 13:22:32 GMT 1
As a matter of interest, what do you see as the solution? I don't have a solution, I think we are doomed. I understand that Tony Benn had a long term energy policy, but it was scrapped by the Tories, which means that we don't have one. But as you are rabidly anti-socialist I don't suppose you would agree with him! www.thefirstpost.co.uk/5523,news-comment,news-politics,with-a-sensible-oil-policy-britain-could-have-been-as-rich-as-norway |
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 19, 2011 13:27:05 GMT 1
Well, I suppose that providing your own power back-up for loss of the electricity supply could be ragarded as one of the costs attributable to the reduction of cabon emissions (for which we can thank the Green Lobby - they have proved very persuasive in convincing the government that Nuclear Power is a BAD THING - much better NO POWER AT ALL).
Anyway if the back-up generator is to be connected to the house mains. all sorts of regulations must be met, and the permission of the Power-supplying Company probably obtained (the consequences of amateurish connection onto their network could be disastrous, for example a break-before-make connection system must be installed, and provision must be made to disconnect the generator - another break-before-make system - before mains supply is restored to the house).
Getting a professionally installed connection to the house mains ssytem will be very costly (and could enormously influence, even invalidate your house insurance)
All this before the cost of a robust generator is considered, plus the consideration of the possible damage a cheap generator may cause to your domestic equipment ( the Power Supply Company would probably require an indemnity certificate absolving them of any rsponsibility). If the generator is going to meet the normal domestic demands then it must be quite heavy-duty, and if it isn't there are probably regulations to ensure load-shedding if the current drawn exceeds the generator limit
Now the crunch - in my experience such generatoirs are dirty machines (and noisy too). They will happliy contribute toward increasing carbon emissions, thus nicely rounding the circle of 'green' foolishness in that respect.
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 19, 2011 13:32:40 GMT 1
As a matter of interest, what do you see as the solution? I don't have a solution, I think we are doomed. ;D I understand that Tony Benn had a long term energy policy, but it was scrapped by the Tories, which means that we don't have one. ;D Last time Benn held any position of pwer was over 30 years ago - time enough for two or thhree 'long term' plans But as you are rabidly anti-socialist I don't suppose you would agree with him! Nor, it seems did the Labour Government of 1997-2010, that is 13 years; little rough blaming the lack of long-term plannning on the tories I think, but then you are being amusingly provocative,aren't you? |
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Post by carnyx on Jan 19, 2011 13:42:45 GMT 1
I'm going to go to my shed. I shall use a wind-up radio for on-the-hour news of the progress of the Apocalyse, courtesy of the British Bullsh*t Coprolation. And, I need a tiny stove of the sort they had in canal boats, for all my cooking and heating needs. ('Machine-Mart' do nice ones). I shall get on every direct-mail list I can, and so can rely on the postman to delivery my daily fuel requirement. There is probably room in the shed for a lifetime supply of baked beans, hobnobs etc., and Strong alcohol (at only 38p a can!)
Wake me when it's over ( or I am .. whichever comes first)
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 19, 2011 14:42:44 GMT 1
Naymissus, I have a couple of generators running some of the house and some of my shellfish ponds. It was very easy to install the equipment. A simple change-over switch in both buildings. The electricity company were quite happy with the arrangement. A lot more happy than they were with the previous set-up - a three pin plug into a mains socket and try to remember to switch off the mains.  |
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 19, 2011 14:48:53 GMT 1
Naymissus, I have a couple of generators running some of the house and some of my shellfish ponds. It was very easy to install the equipment. A simple change-over switch in both buildings. The electricity company were quite happy with the arrangement. A lot more happy than they were with the previous set-up - a three pin plug into a mains socket and try to remember to switch off the mains. Ah well, you speak from experience, me from anticipation, and I defer to your experience. Was the installation expensive? |
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 19, 2011 14:54:16 GMT 1
Few meters of steel wire armoured cable, a switch and some time...£150 - £200 from memory.
Need to upgrade the generators though. Contrary to the figure (1.1kW?) used to calculate how many "homes" a wind turbine will "power", 9kW isn't enough.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 19, 2011 15:07:55 GMT 1
As a matter of interest, what do you see as the solution? I don't have a solution, I think we are doomed. I understand that Tony Benn had a long term energy policy, but it was scrapped by the Tories, which means that we don't have one. But as you are rabidly anti-socialist I don't suppose you would agree with him! www.thefirstpost.co.uk/5523,news-comment,news-politics,with-a-sensible-oil-policy-britain-could-have-been-as-rich-as-norway Old Sir Antony Wedgewood is one of my political heroes. A man of integrity who wanted the best for this country. The type I detest are the scumbags desperately trying to bring this country to it's knees in the hope of socialist revolution. The three pillars of capitalism are finance, energy and human ingenuity. That filth - Brown - managed to destroy the first pillar. The nulabour fifth column, with the help of the greens/reds and the EU are about to bring down the second. |
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