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Post by louise on Jan 20, 2011 18:52:09 GMT 1
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 20, 2011 19:12:09 GMT 1
In Central England 2010 was the second coldest since records began in 1659. I don't need to copy it. I can remember it.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 20, 2011 19:17:06 GMT 1
The Met Office and the University of East Anglia have today released......
Instant bullshit alert.
Isn't it sad that these two institutions now have zero credibility?
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Post by helen on Jan 20, 2011 20:10:21 GMT 1
In Central England 2010 was the second coldest since records began in 1659. I don't need to copy it. I can remember it. - What has this to do with global temperature, cold here, warm elsewhere, it's a global thing not a local thing.
I've asked you this before, when all that cold air fell out of the Arctic into north eastern USA and western Europe this winter, what air replaced it and was it naturally cold or did it warm the Arctic. Your argument is nonsense.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 20, 2011 21:07:28 GMT 1
But helen darling, in your world the Arctic is warm. Seriously though, you can't cite met office and UAE figures without being laughed at. Doesn't that worry you - that these institutions are now a joke?
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Post by helen on Jan 20, 2011 21:18:53 GMT 1
Er no RSmith, the Arctic is a very cold place, been there. But 20°C is 10°C warmer than 30°C. That's a lot of degrees warmer despite it being still really cold, that's a lot of energy. You don't do science though do you you. It's really cold so that's all that matters.
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 20, 2011 23:26:27 GMT 1
Seriously though, you can't cite met office and UAE figures without being laughed at. Doesn't that worry you - that these institutions are now a joke?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 21, 2011 0:55:14 GMT 1
"provisional global temperature figures for 2010.....show the year to be the second warmest on record".
And how long is that "record"? And how reliable?
"On record" are two weasel words that obviously impress helen and Louise.
They don't impress me.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 21, 2011 1:05:43 GMT 1
Helen wonders what the Central England Temperature series has to do with anything. It is the longest continuous temperature record in existence.
It is worth a darned sight more than the cdemonstrable fiddles perpetrated by UEA, GHCN and GISS.
No-one KNOWS what the global average temperature is or even if the concept is a valid one. There is only assertion by self-styled "climatologists" with a mighty environmentalist axe to grind.
We DO know what the temperatures in Central England have been - and for a VERY long time compared to nearly every other location in the world. That is why it beats every other massaged, concocted, adjusted, homogenised and invented global database in existence.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 21, 2011 1:34:20 GMT 1
Perhaps you folk who set such store by a "global average temperature" should consider this new piece of research which must surely undermine your certainties? Patrick Frank, Palo Alto, CA 94301-2436, USA, Energy and Environment, Volume 21, Number 8 / December 2010 DOI: 10.1260/0958-305X.21.8.969 Abstract Sensor measurement uncertainty has never been fully considered in prior appraisals of global average surface air temperature. The estimated average ±0.2 C station error has been incorrectly assessed as random, and the systematic error from uncontrolled variables has been invariably neglected. The systematic errors in measurements from three ideally sited and maintained temperature sensors are calculated herein. Combined with the ±0.2 C average station error, a representative lower-limit uncertainty of ±0.46 C was found for any global annual surface air temperature anomaly. This ±0.46 C reveals that the global surface air temperature anomaly trend from 1880 through 2000 is statistically indistinguishable from 0 C, and represents a lower limit of calibration uncertainty for climate models and for any prospective physically justifiable proxy reconstruction of paleo-temperature. The rate and magnitude of 20th century warming are thus unknowable, and suggestions of an unprecedented trend in 20th century global air temperature are unsustainable.Jeff Id has a discussion, which includes the author, Pat Frank, about the research findings here noconsensus.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/what-evidence-for-unprecedented-warming/
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 21, 2011 1:57:54 GMT 1
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