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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 11, 2011 18:39:46 GMT 1
WHAT MARVELLOUS NEWS
CANT KEEP THE HUMAN SPIRIT DOWN!
ANOTHER DICTATOR GONE!
GOOD LUCK MY EGYPTIAN FRIENDS!!!!!
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 11, 2011 19:16:08 GMT 1
Let's hope they don't get something as bad or worse, naymissus!
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Post by marchesarosa on Feb 11, 2011 19:18:10 GMT 1
Let's hope it leads to something better for the Egyptians. I remember when the Shah was overturned, though. And Saddam Hussein. Did we see something better there?
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 11, 2011 19:24:36 GMT 1
Ah Yes!
There's the rub!
Islamism!
That is why I wish those brave people the best of luck.
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Post by helen on Feb 11, 2011 19:28:55 GMT 1
I had a week or so in Sharm-el Shiek back in October. It was fabulous, standing on the end of mile long peer on the foaming Red Sea in swimming clothes in a force eight gale, full moon and it was 28 degrees listening to Led Zeppelin on my i-Pod. Wonderful. The folk who worked there were mostly blokes imported from Cairo and Alexandria. They were lovely and friendly, some of the camel drivers in the Sinai had a bad attitude to women but in Cairo most folk were really friendly. What's gonna become of these fine folk? The old vice president is an arch torturer. This place borders Gaza. Iran and Syria have turned off their internet. It's not good is it. To think so much science was born here.
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Post by helen on Feb 11, 2011 19:39:29 GMT 1
I have to add this. This a science site but Persia was a root of modern thought, so was the Shah of Iran a better chap than the fellow in power there now? Don't think so? The internet has been closed in Iran too, it's a modern place, the USA and Israel have a problem with Iran and there's some big stuff happening. Should we move to the BBC history pages?
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Post by carnyx on Feb 12, 2011 10:05:08 GMT 1
I hope that the Muslim Brotherhood are sincere in their wishes, which is essentially that Egypt will become a democratic state in which Muslims can exist .. rather that wishing a Muslim state within which 'democracy ' can exist. This represents a deep acceptance of the principle that a civil political identity (i.e. as a voter) is and must be entirely separately held from any other kind of identities ( e.g Father, Religious adherent, Mechanic, etc)
I can only speculate that the thinkers in Egypt have studied the problems that beset all overt (e.g Israel, Iran) and covert (e.g. Southern Ireland) religious states, and have seen the way forward.
And so Israel, as a religious state, must be deeply worried. IF Egypt and those other states manage the transition to pluralist democracies, then the 'one-state solution' will be inevitable. Being an Israeli will then equivalence directly with being e.g. Egyptian, and the Jewish identity will be de-politicised and free to be a religion .. equal to any other, in civil terms.
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 12, 2011 10:28:13 GMT 1
I had a week or so in Sharm-el Shiek back in October. It was fabulous, standing on the end of mile long peer on the foaming Red Sea in swimming clothes in a force eight gale, full moon and it was 28 degrees listening to Led Zeppelin on my i-Pod. Wonderful. The folk who worked there were mostly blokes imported from Cairo and Alexandria. They were lovely and friendly, some of the camel drivers in the Sinai had a bad attitude to women but in Cairo most folk were really friendly. What's gonna become of these fine folk? The old vice president is an arch torturer. This place borders Gaza. Iran and Syria have turned off their internet. It's not good is it. To think so much science was born here. Frankly I cannot think of any science that was born in Egypt off the top of my head. Any science there was there might have been a Greek import And although I wish the Egyptians well, Cairo is one of the s--t-holes of the world. 20 million people , many of them living in abject poverty, filth, noise, corruption, a total lack of charm, a veritable 3rd-world s--t-hole |
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 12, 2011 13:24:30 GMT 1
Yes we do tend to have a rather romantic idea of Egypt - the Pharaohs, the Pyramids, Cleopatra and Mark Anthony and all that jazz, but the current political unrest over there has highlighted the squalid conditions most ordinary Egyptians have had to put up with. Just shows you it's unwise to believe what you read in the holiday brochures!
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Post by helen on Feb 13, 2011 13:44:53 GMT 1
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 13, 2011 14:01:40 GMT 1
There is some doubt about how the library was burned down. Ceasar had great respect for Greek learning (it was basically a Greek rather than an Arab library) and could not (as far as I know) had any motive for burning it dowm. By far the most compelling reason for it to be burned down was the iconoclastvc Wahabbi hordes sweeping through the civilised world with their great contempt for anything non-Mohammedan However, it was burned and lots of science was lost Will you kindly stop talking about 'stuff' . You sound like a spotty teenager trying to be cool. |
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Post by marchesarosa on Feb 13, 2011 14:54:42 GMT 1
Suggest Helen read the "Discussion" underlying the wiki article on the libararies of Alexandria before making firm statements about events long lost in the spin of history. Just click on "Discussion" in top left hand corner of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria |
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Post by helen on Feb 13, 2011 19:25:53 GMT 1
marchesarosa, do you know anything about the history of science? The link you gave is rubbish so I'll do it again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria Ptolomy through to.....Ok so some of them weren't in Egypt, their stash was stored in Alexandria. If not for this point though, actually, you and some others here have a massive anti-science, anti-intellectual bias. It's political. Do you understand the second law of thermodynamics or is that irrelevant to you? If you don't know about it, why do you think it not important enough to learn about? It's fundamental to the understanding of the world. Anyhew, here is a case in point: Show us that the arabs 1000 years ago didn't get to grips with science and Greeks and latin and that it was their translations of Aristotle, Avencienna and others that so transformed thought in Western Europe. Come on you anti science types, deny this. |
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Post by helen on Feb 13, 2011 19:33:06 GMT 1
Carnyx, I refer you to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria Ironic name man. Checked the referrences in this article. You are coming from the wrong place, another fellow poster only keen on causing a row. Is there no concorde at this site? |
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 13, 2011 19:45:52 GMT 1
The army have now said they are going to dissolve the constitution for six months.....oh dear!
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