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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 10:31:02 GMT 1
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Post by eamonnshute on Feb 19, 2011 10:43:31 GMT 1
So does taking drugs. It doesn't mean it is sensible!
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 11:05:06 GMT 1
So does taking drugs. It doesn't mean it is sensible! Ah but taking drugs is physically and mentally harmful - there i sno evidence that belief in God causes mental or physical harm But sensible? The god hypothesis is as good as any othet hypothesis for the creation of the universe |
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Post by eamonnshute on Feb 19, 2011 11:19:52 GMT 1
In fact the article does not demonstrate that belief in one of the gods is good for you, if anything it shows that going to church is good for you - presumably because of the socialising.
What if you compare believers who go to church with believers who don't. Are they equally happy?
Even if believers are happier, it does not tell you the cause and effect relationship. It would be hard to test the claim scientifically anyway - how do take a group of people and then assign them to belief/non-belief at random, to see which group ends up happier? And what if the claim is true - what do you do with the information? Is it better to believe in something which is not true if it makes you happier? i would rather know the truth.
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 19, 2011 11:24:29 GMT 1
You only have to look at those totalitarian regimes in the past that have been officially atheist to see the dire consequences of completely rejecting religious faith.
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Post by eamonnshute on Feb 19, 2011 11:44:06 GMT 1
You only have to look at those totalitarian regimes in the past that have been officially atheist to see the dire consequences of completely rejecting religious faith. So you think that faith is preferable to evidence? A very unscientific point of view! |
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 12:45:37 GMT 1
You only have to look at those totalitarian regimes in the past that have been officially atheist to see the dire consequences of completely rejecting religious faith. So you think that faith is preferable to evidence? A very unscientific point of view! I simply said that the God hypothesis is as good as any other for the creation of the universe. Why? Because they are all equally unverifiable |
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 12:48:25 GMT 1
In fact the article does not demonstrate that belief in one of the gods is good for you, if anything it shows that going to church is good for you - presumably because of the socialising. What if you compare believers who go to church with believers who don't. Are they equally happy? Even if believers are happier, it does not tell you the cause and effect relationship. It would be hard to test the claim scientifically anyway - how do take a group of people and then assign them to belief/non-belief at random, to see which group ends up happier? And what if the claim is true - what do you do with the information? Is it better to believe in something which is not true if it makes you happier? i would rather know the truth. And who are you (or anyone else) to say that belief in God is not the truth? |
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Post by eamonnshute on Feb 19, 2011 12:55:37 GMT 1
And who are you (or anyone else) to say that belief in God is not the truth? Either there is a god, or they are inventions of the human mind. If they were real then there should be evidence. There isn't. If they were a product of the human mind then there would be countless different gods in every human culture. That is exactly what we see. |
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 13:30:53 GMT 1
And who are you (or anyone else) to say that belief in God is not the truth? Either there is a god, or they are inventions of the human mind. If they were real then there should be evidence. There isn't. If they were a product of the human mind then there would be countless different gods in every human culture. That is exactly what we see. hyptheses for the creation of the univers are inventions of the human mind All lack evidence Thtat, quite simply, is the point that I am making |
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Post by nickrr on Feb 19, 2011 13:39:10 GMT 1
The "God Hypothesis" explains the creation of the universe by assuming that a being capable of creating a universe already exists, without any explanation of where this being comes from. This is nonsense.
And I see no reason why, if a god created the universe, this shouldn't be susceptible to verification.
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 19, 2011 13:44:43 GMT 1
The "God Hypothesis" explains the creation of the universe by assuming that a being capable of creating a universe already exists, without any explanation of where this being comes from. This is nonsense. And I see no reason why, if a god created the universe, this shouldn't be susceptible to verification. That sound very reasonable nick. However we have no evidence at all as to how the universe was created, yet there are plenty of hypotheses for that creation Why the God hypothesis should be subject to stricter rules of admissability than other hypotheses I do not quite understand. |
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 19, 2011 14:56:21 GMT 1
You only have to look at those totalitarian regimes in the past that have been officially atheist to see the dire consequences of completely rejecting religious faith. So you think that faith is preferable to evidence? A very unscientific point of view! If only human beings behaved in scientific ways, eamonn, life would be so much better. I think we have to recognize that people are not entirely rational and therefore need 'irrational' beliefs that make them behave better. |
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Post by abacus9900 on Feb 19, 2011 15:01:37 GMT 1
The "God Hypothesis" explains the creation of the universe by assuming that a being capable of creating a universe already exists, without any explanation of where this being comes from. This is nonsense. And I see no reason why, if a god created the universe, this shouldn't be susceptible to verification. The problem with this is that you can always ask the question: who made God? So theoretically, it is not possible to produce scientific verification of God, which is why it must always remain a faith or belief. |
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