A Woman Speaks

[carnyx]

Here is a women who takes her social responsibilities seriously.
When will the UK feminist lobby produce one as good as her?

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard:

Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted YOU .'

[eamonnshute]

Hoax.

www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml

[carnyx]

You have to admit it is a good one!

[jean]

You mean because you were taken in by it?

[jonjel]

Be nice to see a politician actually have the balls to say it though

[marchesarosa]

Plenty Oz politicians have said near enough the same according to the link!

I bet Julia wishes she did have the balls to say it!

[abacus9900]

Mar 2, 2011 13:09:41 GMT 1 marchesarosa said:

Plenty Oz politicians have said near enough the same according to the link!

I bet Julia wishes she did have the balls to say it!

If only more of our lilly-livered politicians would grow some balls and say the same thing. The indigenous UK population, as usual, seems to get forgotten about.

[speakertoanimals]

Be nice to see a politician actually have the balls to say it though

Except in australia, what about the aborigines?

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE

except their rights were bull-dozed, and even their children taken away from them..................

[jonjel]

Yep. We have turned full circle and are back to Hengst and Horsa methinks!

[carnyx]

STA,

It seems that both of us agree that Colonialism is a bad thing. But your anti-colonial reasoning is retrospective and sentimental, and aimed at setting up some kind of moral indebtedness on behalf of the dead, for the dubious benefit of a minority of the living.

But, the reasoning in the OP is that colonialism is inimical to future peace and prosperity, and appeals to the moral duty towards the living, and the unborn, of the whole country.

And if you consider which attitude is more likely to lead to an open and colony-free world, it is clearly the OP one. Yours, by contrast, is a recipe for continuing the colonial mindset, and the evils that flow. Will aboriginals , to you, ever be any more than 'the losers' ... ghettoised by your sentiment?

This mindset is fascinating; it is of course a projection of victimism.

[speakertoanimals]

But your anti-colonial reasoning is retrospective and sentimental, and aimed at setting up some kind of moral indebtedness on behalf of the dead

Well, I think you'll find that aborigine children were being taken from their parents as late as the 1970's, and not all dead (hopefully).

Why twist my words, and make assumptions as to what I think, rather than finding out? Just pointing out that any assesment of australian civilisation has to make reference to what was done to aborigines during that process, as the australian government has attempted to do by issuing formal apologies.

And if you consider which attitude is more likely to lead to an open and colony-free world, it is clearly the OP one.

Except christian culture, christian civilsation, get out if you don't like it or want to talk our language, explicitly rejects the aborigines, their traditional culture, religion language, art etc, without which australia would be a much poorer place.

I wasn't attacking colonoialism per se, just pointing out that there is a danger of forgetting the many and varied influences behind the culture in a country, its rarely as monolithic as you like to make out. Many advances in the UK, for example, were made not by the mainstream christian culture, but by many people more aligned to various non-conformist groups, who at the time were probably not viewed as that mainstream. And the scots and welsh wouldn't be too hot on us ignoring their culture and their language.

I'm not saying the importance is feeling indebted towards towards the dead, I'm saying we have a false view of who we are and where we came from if we try to gloss over ALL of what made us what we are.

The point us, as the church knows, people increasingly see active christianity as increasingly irrelevant. Most people are happy to accept that we have people of many religions and none around us, and aren't totally frightened by that. Why except immmigrants to conform to rules that I would be extremely happy and unwilling to conform to myself?

The indigenous UK population

Except very few of us are, we are more of a mongrel race that some would ever admit!

[marchesarosa]

This was not STA, this was CPO, by my reckoning. Notice the difference?

[jean]

What are you talking about, marchesa? You'll have to spell it out.

[abacus9900]

Mar 2, 2011 13:26:21 GMT 1 speakertoanimals said:

Be nice to see a politician actually have the balls to say it though

Except in australia, what about the aborigines?

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE

except their rights were bull-dozed, and even their children taken away from them..................

Politically naive.

[abacus9900]

I wasn't attacking colonoialism per se, just pointing out that there is a danger of forgetting the many and varied influences behind the culture in a country, its rarely as monolithic as you like to make out. Many advances in the UK, for example, were made not by the mainstream christian culture, but by many people more aligned to various non-conformist groups, who at the time were probably not viewed as that mainstream. And the scots and welsh wouldn't be too hot on us ignoring their culture and their language.

Except it has been the Christian doctrine which has allowed all these groups to exists in relative harmony. You can't get much more flexible than that, unlike most other organized faiths.