I couldn't be arsed, could you?

[marchesarosa]

March 29, 2011


Editor:

An individual named Terry Putnam did a grave disservice to your readers by making false and defamatory statements about me and my climate scientist colleagues.

Mr. Putnam attacks the integrity of researchers at the UK’s University of East Anglia “Climatic Research Unit” (CRU), misrepresenting the content of stolen e-mails to falsely accuse them of “falsifying data.” He fails to note that seven separate external investigations in the U.S. and the U.K. have absolved the scientists of claims of wrongdoing manufactured by climate change deniers.

Mr. Putnam makes the libelous claim that the so-called “hockey stick”— work of my own published more than a decade ago showing that recent warming is unusual over at least the past 1,000 years—has been “proven to be a fraud.” He ignores the fact that the highest scientific body in the nation, the National Academy of Sciences, affirmed my research findings in an exhaustive independent review published in June 2006 (see e.g. “Science Panel Backs Study on Warming Climate,” New York Times, June 22, 2006, among many others). Dozens of independent groups of scientists have independently come to the same conclusion, and more recent work by several groups shows that the recent warmth is unusual over an even longer timeframe.

Readers interested in the truth behind the science, rather than the falsehoods and smears perpetuated by people like Mr. Putnam, should consult the scientist-run Web site: www.realclimate .org, or scientifically-based books on the topic like my “Dire Predictions: Understanding Global Warming.”

Michael E. Mann

Professor, Dept. of Meteorology,

Penn State University

Director, Penn State Earth

System Science Center

[carnyx]

Mann?

....scientifically-based books on the topic like my “Dire Predictions: Understanding Global Warming.”

Wasn't he the guy who predicted that his office in Manhattan was supposed to be 20 feet under the sea by now?

Lucky for him, the real climate refused to listen.

[marchesarosa]

Was it an April Fool's joke, perhaps?

It was Hansen who predicted the Manhattan West Side highway visible from his GISS Broadway office would be underwater within 20 years. He made the statement back in about 1980, I think. The failure of these dire predictions to come true doesn't seem to affect the confidence of the warmists at all! They claim he didn't make the prediction and if he did he meant something different!

[carnyx]

Ah. Sorry. Of course, Mann is the guy who has that hockeystick carved from Siberian spruce! I hear it was specially spliced, but it was still not robust enough for Canadian league games.

[louise]

Apr 1, 2011 10:29:09 GMT 1 marchesarosa said:

It was Hansen who predicted the Manhattan West Side highway visible from his GISS Broadway office would be underwater within 20 years. He made the statement back in about 1980, I think. The failure of these dire predictions to come true doesn't seem to affect the confidence of the warmists at all! They claim he didn't make the prediction and if he did he meant something different!

No he didn't and I have already shown elswhere on this board how this error occured. To keep repeating obviously falsehoods doesn't reflect well on anyone doing so.

Jan 29, 2011 19:36:17 GMT 1 @louise said:

Hansen has recently clarified that

Reiss asked me to speculate on changes that might happen in New York City in 40 years assuming CO2 doubled in amount

and that Reiss has recently said to him in an e-mail:

“I went back to my book and re-read the interview I had with you. I am embarrassed to say that although the book text is correct, in remembering our original conversation, during a casual phone interview with a Salon magazine reporter in 2001 I was off in years. What I asked you originally at your office window was for a prediction of what Broadway would look like in 40 years, not 20. But when I spoke to the Salon reporter 10 years later ­probably because I’d been watching the predictions come true, I remembered it as a 20 year question.“

So, the context of Reiss' question is 'what will happen in 40 years if CO2 doubles?'

and Hansen's reply should be heard in that context.


climateclash.com/2011/01/27/james-hansen-singing-in-the-rain/

[marchesarosa]

Fair enough, Louise, two people remembered the conversation differently.

But why was Hansen, or his interviewer, speculating on a doubling of CO2 in 40 years? Scare-mongering!

[marchesarosa]

Revisiting Hansen's prediction of the West Side Highway under water in *40* years, we are now 23 years into that time scale (if the conversation took place in 1988). So what has happened to Manhatten sea level in the meantime?



Anthony Watts says:

As of this update in March 2011, we’re 23 years into his prediction of the West Side Highway being underwater. From what I can measure in Google Earth, Dr. Hansen would need at least a ten foot rise in forty years to make his prediction work.

According to the actual data, after 23 years, we’ve seen about a 2.5 inch rise. There’ s still a very long way to go to ten feet to cover the West Side Highway there.

To reach the goal he predicted in 1988, Dr. Hansen needs to motivate the sea to do his bidding, he’s gonna have to kick it in gear and use a higher octane driver if he’s going to get there.


More here wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/21/nasas-hansen-thinks-sea-level-rise-will-be-accelerating-i-think-not-offering-a-new-paper-and-updated-story-on-hansen-to-show-why/

[marchesarosa]

Don't warmists feel discomfitted when the leading lights of IPCC "science" bump up against REAL observable data in this embarrassing way?

(And incidentally, Louise, take a look at the tide gauge graph, too.

No sign of any "acceleration" of sea level rise in new York harbour, is there?

[louise]

Did Anthony Watts take into account that Hansen was asked "If CO2 doubled..."?

If not, it's as dishonest as you claiming that he said 20 years not 40.