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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2012 21:10:23 GMT 1
"After thirty years of it the whole debate will primarily be analysed in terms seeing it as the greatest instance in history of mass hysteria."
My view entirely, Mr Sonde. I just hope I live to see it! (95!)
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Post by alancalverd on Dec 9, 2012 2:03:32 GMT 1
No one wants to take on the meat industry, Well I did, and it wasn't difficult. I published a paper some years back on the subject and was promptly summoned to a radio interview with a group of Shropshire beef farmers. I said "If I scrapped the EU intervention price for meat and gave you an equivalent subsidy for soya beans, what would you do?" Immediate and unanimous response: "We'd grow beans, of course. Much less effort than cattle." Money talks.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2012 13:59:42 GMT 1
And legumes are nitrogen fixers, too! Win win!
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 22, 2012 18:24:03 GMT 1
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Post by alancalverd on Dec 22, 2012 20:59:29 GMT 1
Interesting indeed. Many such demonstrations are similarly flawed.
Even if you leave both vessels completely open, the bottom of the CO2 will get a lot hotter than the bottom of the normal air because CO2, being denser than air, doesn't convect out of the bottle (to be replaced by cold air) until it reaches a significantly higher temperature.
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Post by marchesarosa on Mar 7, 2013 9:46:09 GMT 1
ATMOSPHERIC CO2 NOT LINKED TO HUMANS SAYS GLOBAL AND PLANETARY JOURNALWritten by John O'Sullivan A new paper in the Global and Planetary Journal www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658 using freely available government data may be about to cause an unwelcome storm for believers in the greenhouse gas theory and the 'green' carbon reductions industry. Norwegian scientists led by Professor Ole Humlum of the University of Oslo analyzed measurements of atmospheric carbon dioxide and compared them to temperatures with a result that throws serious doubt on claims that climate change is carbon related. If verified by other scientists Humlum’s study will confirm the findings of researchers at Principia Scientific International (PSI) who claim they have already refuted the greenhouse gas theory. NOAA and HADCrut CO2 levels graph The scientists investigated the phase relation (leads/lags) between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures using standard data series for the period January 1980 to December 2011. They found that changes in global atmospheric CO2 follow 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature and 9.5–10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature. The findings conflict with the consensus view concerning the greenhouse gas ‘theory’ that says the opposite should happen with temperatures supposedly being driven by any rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2 levels are up 40 percent in recent decades). Scientists used standard datasets from eight leading government sources including HadCRUT3, NASA’s GISS, CDIAC, NCDC and HadSST2. Professor Humlum said the best evidence proves there exists a “ high degree of co-variation between all data series.” He said the only two exceptions were the CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2 and the GWP data on volcanic eruptions. The professor affirmed that the results were nonetheless conclusive: “changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature.”In addition to the above the scientists also found that “Changes in ocean temperatures explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980. Changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.” The study’s conclusion: “There exist a clear phase relationship between changes of atmospheric CO2 and the different global temperature records, whether representing sea surface temperature, surface air temperature, or lower troposphere temperature, with changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2 always lagging behind corresponding changes in temperature.” U.S. Physicist, Dr. Charles Anderson has now published his analysis affirming Professor Humlum's study. Humlum's full report may be accessed at the Global and Planetary Change Volume 100, January 2013
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Post by alancalverd on Mar 7, 2013 20:57:51 GMT 1
Maddening, isn't it, that the temperature graph leads the CO2 graph in the short term, just as it has done for the last 2,000,000 years.
Bloody scientists, spoiling a good story with facts.
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Post by nickrr on Mar 8, 2013 23:09:51 GMT 1
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Post by mrsonde on Mar 9, 2013 8:21:29 GMT 1
That's got to be the most inept rebuttal of a scientific paper I've ever wasted my time trying to read. It's virtually incomprehensible. Not because the science or the maths is particularly difficult, but because the English is barely literate and the logic is as deceptively fallacious as an Escher drawing. Is this really the best they can do?
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