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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 10, 2011 16:13:59 GMT 1
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 20:20:16 GMT 1
Joanne, am I allowed a response to this or will I be accused of stalking?
Can't see anyone else answering!
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Post by Progenitor A on Jan 10, 2011 20:40:41 GMT 1
Joanne, am I allowed a response to this or will I be accused of stalking? Can't see anyone else answering! Helen Stalking is defined by the characteristic of posting only (or mainly) to denigrate, needle or jeer at another person There are ample examples of that on this MB If you reply in a manner that does not personally attack the other person, no-one could possibly accuse you of stalking
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Post by helen on Jan 11, 2011 17:12:52 GMT 1
OK, then can I say this is another straw man put up by climate change deniers. I could cite the terrible things that are happening in Brisbane just now are an example of atmospheric instability as more moisture rises in to the air. Let it lie I say. You will see!
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Post by helen on Jan 11, 2011 17:15:58 GMT 1
Sorry about the poor English, we've had a few beers, goodnight 'till tomorrow!
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 11, 2011 17:57:26 GMT 1
OK, then can I say this is another straw man put up by climate change sceptics. I could cite the terrible things that are happening in Brisbane just now are an example of atmospheric instability as more moisture rises in to the air. Let it insight I say. You will see! You'll notice that the floods are happening on a very flat area. You probably won't know that the area used to be a lake like lake Eyre. Damn those cavemen in their hummers eh, helen. In fact, who's to say it didn't flood many times before it was settled by whitemen a couple of centuries ago.
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Post by helen on Jan 11, 2011 18:54:51 GMT 1
R Smith. Have you not been watching the television and do you not have an atlas? The flooding is east of the Great Dividing Range, only flat towards the coast, floods there are not that usual, the river valleys usually contain the summer rain or why would folk live there, growing wheat and mangoes, mining coal, gold, opals and copper....all flooded out. Get your facts right man then we might discuss causes!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 11, 2011 19:05:19 GMT 1
"Brisbane flood to be worst in 118 years"www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/4531356/Brisbane-flood-to-be-worst-in-118-yearsSo what's new, then? Are we going to go through the "worst in 30 years", "worst in 50 years", "worst in 80 years" that characterised the Pakistan Monsoon floods conversations? (Apparently caused by the same blocking high pressure area that caused the Russian heatwave.) These "worst since" headlines only serve to demonstrate that such events are NOTHING new, particularly in Australia - land of drought and floods.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 11, 2011 19:12:38 GMT 1
Written in 1904, so not long after the 118 year old inundation referred to above. My Country by Dorothea McKellar (1885–1968)
The love of field and coppice, Of green and shaded lanes, Of ordered woods and gardens Is running in your veins. Strong love of grey-blue distance, Brown streams and soft, dim skies - I know but cannot share it, My love is otherwise.
I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror – The wide brown land for me!
The stark white ring-barked forests, All tragic to the moon, The sapphire-misted mountains, The hot gold hush of noon, Green tangle of the brushes Where lithe lianas coil, And orchids deck the tree-tops, And ferns the warm dark soil.
Core of my heart, my country! Her pitiless blue sky, When, sick at heart, around us We see the cattle die – But then the grey clouds gather, And we can bless again The drumming of an army, The steady soaking rain.
Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold, For flood and fire and famine She pays us back threefold. Over the thirsty paddocks, Watch, after many days, The filmy veil of greenness That thickens as we gaze.
An opal-hearted country, A wilful, lavish land – All you who have not loved her, You will not understand – Though earth holds many splendours, Wherever I may die, I know to what brown country My homing thoughts will fly.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 11, 2011 19:24:05 GMT 1
Mac, on Bishop Hill, has this to say about Australian thinking and policy re flooding: ... Why are AUS $billions being spent on mitigating global warming when the entire state is at risk from floods because the authorities federal, state and local have cut funding to data collection programs that are critical to assessing flood risk. It transpires that current Australian thinking on flood risk is the assumption that the general climatic conditions do not vary, they are non-cyclical. The only impact being considered that would change such thinking is the impact of climate change. i.e. a reduction in rainfall leading to more droughts. Further the impact of environmentalism and land development has meant that federal, state and local authorities have done very little on flood prevention measures in recent years but have allowed building on flood plains in and around urban areas that were flooded in the near past.Severe winters in North America, the UK and Europe, and floods in Australia highlights that climate change makes people forget what has happened in the past, extreme weather events, are just as likely to happen now with the same devastating consequences. It is extremely important that the data scientists collect on climate and weather is as robust as possible and that the theories that evolve from the analyses robust data sets are testable and verifiable. Poor data, bad data and blinkered scientific thinking is potentially just as dangerous as any storm. bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/1/11/how-about-updating-the-bristlecone-data.html#comments
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 11, 2011 23:01:57 GMT 1
R Smith. Have you not been watching the television and do you not have an atlas? The flooding is east of the Great Dividing Range, only flat towards the coast, floods there are not that usual, the river valleys usually contain the summer rain or why would folk live there, growing wheat and mangoes, mining coal, gold, opals and copper....all flooded out. Get your facts right man then we might discuss causes! I don't need an atlas since I drove a cotton harvester in Bogga Billa for a couple of months in 88. Bogga Billa is on the Eastern Fringes of that great lake and the farm of over 1000 acres had a maximum difference in elevation of less than 1m. The fields were irrigated using flood irrigation which requires very flat terrain. I realise the flash floods are on the Eastern side of the dividing range (hardly mountains "behind" Brisbane - more like the rolling countryside of Essex) but the massive flooded area of last week is in the old lake bed. When this is flooded as it has been many times previously then "the wet" will result in flash floods like we're seeing now, down range. Sad for those effected but nowt new darling.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 12, 2011 12:13:41 GMT 1
CVH on WUWT provides a little more background info: January 12, 2011 at 2:49 am
Brisbane is built on a flood plain, and for years the Aussies referred to “The Wet”. In fact on of Neville Shute’s books was titled “In the Wet” and describes the regular flooding between Brisbane and Cairns in some detail....
Focussing on CO2 driven “Climate Change” (SORRY! – Climate DISRUPTION!) rather than taking care of little details like drainage is the real cause as such El Nino events have happened in the past. Hence my total contempt for the Warmists who first bleat “Weather is not Climate” when the cold hits. Then when they are laughed at, they try to make out Cooling is really Warming, then floods in the Brisbane flood plain is “linked to Climate Change”.
The reality is that – tragic as these events are – they have happened before but are made worse by the urbanisation of flood plains. We can waste money on reducing CO2 if you want – but for my tax hit – i would rather see effective drainage and building controls....
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 12, 2011 12:41:34 GMT 1
AusieDan on WUWT says:
Flood plain maps are available for all areas in Australia. The problem is that the climate cycle is long and eratic. People just do not understand that the next “one in 100 year” flood could occur tomorrow and that the following one could just follow next week.
Most people have become imune to the fear of floods, believing that the earth was warming and that Australia was drying up.
The climate of Australia is very eratic, unless like me, you are interested in trends spanning a century or more.
(A good friend of ours was drowned a year or so ago, trying to cross a flooded creek on his way home, in his high chasis four wheel truck. His wife had crossed successfully fifteen minutes earlier in her low slung small car. Things change. Sometimes quite rapidly. Plans for new dams and improved flood levies often follow major floods, but are forgotten when the next drought takes a hold on the country).
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Post by eamonnshute on Jan 12, 2011 12:43:05 GMT 1
When the cold hits? when did that happen? 2010 was close to being the warmest year on record globally. Or are you still labouring under the belief that a cold spell in England equates to colder climate all over the world? You really, really, really don't understand the difference between local weather and global climate do you?
ROFLMAO! An area the size of France+Germany urbanised? Queensland is actually very sparsely populated, with only 6.8 people per square mile.
The fact is that increased temperatures will make the hydrological cycle more extreme, with more droughts and more floods, which is exactly what Queensland (and other places) have been experiencing, and it is going to get worse.
Why don't you give us a laugh and tell us how you would improve the drainage of such a huge area?
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Post by rsmith7 on Jan 12, 2011 13:50:10 GMT 1
Eco/communist activists are such a laugh. Have a look at what poor Eamonn has written above! Bless
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