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Post by Progenitor A on Dec 20, 2010 15:06:45 GMT 1
I like physics I like being provocative and asking questions that really have no answers I like challenging assumptions that are often no more than expressions of dogma, a catechism of mantras
I know this gets the backs up of some people - and that it was meant to do - for in physics we really do know so little that our ignorance often amazes me.
That is not to decry the very real achievements that science has made nor the contributions that it has made toward civilisng man, nor does it fail to recognise the giant intellects that stride the field of science
Most of all though, I love to discuss and to learn
Unfortunately this board is not the place to do that. Whenever anyone makes any serious or even lighthearted attempt at a point in physics or science the invariable response from certain quarters is to call them an ignorant idiot that knows no science.
After a while, trying to counter such bigotry becomes tedious in the extreme and it is quite noticeable that many contributors have stopped attempting to contribute.
This bigotry is in fact most odd, For the person that invariably takes this approach maintains that she is a physcist, but examination of her writings exposes a great ignorance of the fundamentals of physics and I (and other I believe) are led to the conclusion that she is a fraud that simply parrots excerpts from popular science that she has read and half-understood. In addition many of her postings are rambling gobbledegook with sentences that bear no resemblance to grammatical English.
All of this is making posting on this board a quite intolerable pursuit, and if this person that I honestly believe has unresolved mental problems- is allowed to continue in this vein that the board will die
I will certainly not be contributing as much as I have done in the past, and indeed I am currently looking for a more reasonable place for discussion. I come here for intelligent debate not to receive abuse from an idiot savant (with very little savant)and certainly not to act as a foil for a inadequate that thinks the purpose of science is triumphalism and humiliation of 'opponents'
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 20, 2010 16:23:46 GMT 1
It would be so lovely if someone with expert knowledge could make contributions that were simply made to inform, not insult. Unfortunately, we cannot seem to get such a desirable person and it does put people off from making enquiries, which is a real shame. Personally, I love asking questions and the very act of composing and typing in posts to this board is a delight in itself but lately I have found the contributions so scarce as to make posting a bit pointless. I do hope things will improve but unless people are prepared to make more of an effort to support this board I fear it may eventually die.
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Post by jonjel on Dec 20, 2010 16:52:21 GMT 1
Both of what you say on this matter is interesting. I used to get very upset by people on message boards who seem to have nothing better to do than insult for insults sake, especially when I may have formulated my words of wisdom over a day or two before writing.
Now, I ignore them. I will name no names but there are a couple or three who are a complete pain in the arse. Just becasue they happen to have contributed hundreds of posts does not mean that there is any merit in what they say.
If you rise to the bait no doubt they will be happy. If they get no response I suspect they will be more than unhappy, and although I wish no-one any harm, I am quite pleased about that.
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 20, 2010 18:49:19 GMT 1
If you rise to the bait no doubt they will be happy. If they get no response I suspect they will be more than unhappy, and although I wish no-one any harm, I am quite pleased about that. Well, I think what naymissus was alluding to was that there is a particular poster (who shall remain nameless) who seems to possess a great deal of knowledge about physics but always insists on imparting such knowledge in a very condescending manner.
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Post by jean on Dec 20, 2010 20:42:50 GMT 1
This is hardly surprising, given the condescending attitude displayed by naymissus.
(Is he really not aware of this?)
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Post by carnyx on Dec 20, 2010 21:46:20 GMT 1
Ah!... and when the bad behavious is exhibited in the absence of NM, ought we then to be surprised?
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Post by buckleymanor1 on Dec 22, 2010 0:53:22 GMT 1
I like physics I like being provocative and asking questions that really have no answers I like challenging assumptions that are often no more than expressions of dogma, a catechism of mantras I know this gets the backs up of some people - and that it was meant to do - for in physics we really do know so little that our ignorance often amazes me. That is not to decry the very real achievements that science has made nor the contributions that it has made toward civilisng man, nor does it fail to recognise the giant intellects that stride the field of science Most of all though, I love to discuss and to learn Unfortunately this board is not the place to do that. Whenever anyone makes any serious or even lighthearted attempt at a point in physics or science the invariable response from certain quarters is to call them an ignorant idiot that knows no science. After a while, trying to counter such bigotry becomes tedious in the extreme and it is quite noticeable that many contributors have stopped attempting to contribute. This bigotry is in fact most odd, For the person that invariably takes this approach maintains that she is a physcist, but examination of her writings exposes a great ignorance of the fundamentals of physics and I (and other I believe) are led to the conclusion that she is a fraud that simply parrots excerpts from popular science that she has read and half-understood. In addition many of her postings are rambling gobbledegook with sentences that bear no resemblance to grammatical English. All of this is making posting on this board a quite intolerable pursuit, and if this person that I honestly believe has unresolved mental problems- is allowed to continue in this vein that the board will die I will certainly not be contributing as much as I have done in the past, and indeed I am currently looking for a more reasonable place for discussion. I come here for intelligent debate not to receive abuse from an idiot savant (with very little savant)and certainly not to act as a foil for a inadequate that thinks the purpose of science is triumphalism and humiliation of 'opponents' Don't be so hard on yourself or the poster you dislike. She is probably more passionate about phys than the credit you give her. Your dislike probably stems from the realization that she does know what she is talking about most of the time. Take the speed of light post your score was miserable but you must have Learnt something. There is a passion in her writings and it stems from the fact that she dislikes the spread of ignorance as far as physics is concerned. Quite frankly you should embrace what she teaches you as most of it is what real physics is about.Taken the wrong way it can seem humiliating but who said any gain or that physics was easy.
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Post by Progenitor A on Dec 22, 2010 8:49:26 GMT 1
Your dislike probably stems from the realization that she does know what she is talking about most of the time. ;DIf this is your opinion then you have not been paying attention But then you do have little to contribute yourself,possibly for the same reason There is a passion in her writings and it stems from the fact that she dislikes the spread of ignorance as far as physics is concerned. This is nonsense. If you believe that then you are as daft and possibly as boorish as she. Your commentary on my 'score' would tend to confirm that as only an inadequate boor would come on here to score points - I certainly do not do that. Is that why your contributions are purely reactionary - are you trying to score points in the same way as her?
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Post by jean on Dec 22, 2010 9:52:10 GMT 1
I cannot be the only poster here to note the irony of such a thread as this appearing in the Non-Scientific Friendly Chat Room.
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Post by carnyx on Dec 22, 2010 14:26:07 GMT 1
You may well be. And by posting here, do you suppose you are among friends?
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Post by jean on Dec 22, 2010 14:42:46 GMT 1
Indeed I don't, carnyx! That's why I hardly ever post.
But I had thought that even robust discussion on scientific matters could be pursued without the sort of language the OP used in the title of this thread. If you all carry on speaking to each other in this way, I prediict that there won't be many of you left soon.
You may regard that as some sort of triumph, but I wouldn't.
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Post by carnyx on Dec 22, 2010 16:19:02 GMT 1
Well, JeanH/Simplex, I am sure that the boarders here are ever-grateful for a visit from matron to pronounce upon them. But they are more likely to wish you had brought some physics, rather than your brand of whimsical haruspication
And that alias of yours .. no allusions to a sexually transmitted disease I trust? That would be ironic , wouldn't it!
Speaking of which, how is spir-an these days ? All grown up, and with a degree?
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Post by buckleymanor1 on Dec 22, 2010 21:10:34 GMT 1
The reason why I contribute so little is that I would rather not if the information is going to be probably wrong.I don't see the point in misinformation though new ideas can be exciting even if they are sometimes ill informed.
No I thought it was funny. Me thinks your pride was hurt I am not interested in point scoring.Who the hell is counting and what's more who cares. All I was trying to point out was that you knew so little about light and it's propagation and someone who does gets castigated for trying to enlighten you. Lets face it you were wrong and instead of being gratefully you say boo hoo where is my ball I ain't playing anymore.
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Post by Progenitor A on Dec 22, 2010 22:14:02 GMT 1
The reason why I contribute so little is that I would rather not if the information is going to be probably wrong.I don't see the point in misinformation though new ideas can be exciting even if they are sometimes ill informed. ;D Good heavens! You really have difficulty constructing sentences, don't you? Perhaps you are simply a little dumb, just like many who hover, do not contribute, and when they do interject, show that they are lacking in the literacy department? Who the hell is counting and what's more who cares. You are counting - silly-billy. Here you are -counting in your semi-literate fashion Take the speed of light post your score was miserable but you must have Learnt something. All I was trying to point out was that you knew so little about light and it's propagation and someone who does gets castigated for trying to enlighten you. ;D Oh dear another hopelssly inarticulate sentence! Lets face it you were wrong and instead of being gratefully you say boo hoo where is my ball I ain't playing anymore. ;D Again you have difficulty with grammar! An aside: (Where on earth do these semi-literates come from?)
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Post by abacus9900 on Dec 22, 2010 22:47:47 GMT 1
Just because someone possess great knowledge does not guarantee an ability to communicate it well.
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