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Post by mrsonde on Sept 24, 2018 23:25:51 GMT 1
Strong and stable government, Hamas style. So much more effective than all that democratic bickering in the Knesset. Whether you like it or not, Hama is democratically elected in Gaza That's not true. It's not only not true, it displays a complete lack of understanding of the entire situation in that region.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 24, 2018 23:33:45 GMT 1
ANTI-ZION!
Proven to kill dead 100% of Jews! No, sir. After 6000 years, we're still here. Whatever became of the Pharaohs, Philistines, Romans, Inquisitors, Nazis, Stalinists....? I'm happy - no, delighted - to give you 3,500 years. No need to overegg the pudding. Sounds like the opening to a Hammer Horror film, a la Carry On. You had a f*#ckin weird upbringing, didn't you Alan? I'm beginning to think I'm the least screwed-up outsider around here, and believe me that really is saying something.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 24, 2018 23:45:53 GMT 1
I asked what you would do in their situation, and you deigned to run with what you called my analogy. You replied that you would move elsewhere. So: YES! NO!You have typically lifted 2 words from a sentence that doesn't mention Israel and made the absurd accusation that I contend that the people of Israel should move elsehwere. Utter rubbish. You think everyone else is as moronic as you are? That's what I said. It wasn't an analogy. No one mentioned any of that. You do acknowledge that you were talking about what you term an analogy? You do acknowledge that it was about Israel and Gaza? Yes or no? You do acknowledge that you would run with this "analogy"? You do acknowledge that your action would be to move elsewhere if the Gazans attacked you? Yes or no? I know I am. You'd have some questions to answer, lady. Fortunately for you, the complaint would be about your anti-semitism, rather than any supposed islamophobia, so no doubt you;d get away with it. Accusing Israelis of murdering peaceful Gazans whatever they do is hate speech. You might be able to get away with the Corbyn-style excuse that you didn't mean Jews when you said "Israelis", I suppose. Most rational people see through such creepy prevarication.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 24, 2018 23:49:05 GMT 1
You haven't answered the question, and you can drop the filthy, risible, implication that I am an anti-semite You are an anti-semite. There's no question about it whatsoever.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 24, 2018 23:52:47 GMT 1
I recognise the existence of Israel as a state, and support its continuation, but don't like the effects on people in the WB and Gaza. Has it ever occurred to you that "the effects on people in the WB and Gaza" are entirely caused by the fact that they do not agree with you?! Ffs!
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 0:07:14 GMT 1
The West Bank is territory conquered in a war started by (or at least on behalf of) its inhabitants. This is wrong. The war was started by Israel. FFs! I gave a very detailed, factually unimpeachable post about that war. The war was not in the least started by Israel. It defended itself. If it had not done, it would have been eradicated. Get real, Nay. Bollocks. I've answered that. He's a deluded fool - every reputable historian knows that. I've answered this, at length. It's entirely, factually wrong. I don't know whether you've misunderstood his ramblings, or what. Whatever - this is entirely, factually, provably, wrong. Not so. Start another thread if you want that argument - it will go on for pages, with at least a dozen counter-examples of such occurrences which are recognised as entirely legal. Why were they not left to their own devices? It's a prison because Egypt doesn't, until last year, allow them out. Otherwise - they're not allowed to import weapons with which to attack Israel. Not a prison. Just what we did with the shipments of weapons the IRA tried to import. Before their attacks, there was no "prison". Nay. Tell me. You think Israel should simply allow Hamas to import Iranian missiles with which they can destroy Tel Aviv, Haifa, the oil wells in the Med? Just let it happen? I mean - what?? I simply don't understand where you're coming from.
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 25, 2018 0:17:24 GMT 1
Has it ever occurred to you that your arrogance and solipsism, as in your last dozen or so quick-fire posts, don't move the discussion on, but simply evince your arrogance and solipsism (as is appropriate to your state)?
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 0:26:56 GMT 1
Has it ever occurred to you that your arrogance and solipsism, as in your last dozen or so quick-fire posts, don't move the discussion on, but simply evince your arrogance and solipsism (as is appropriate to your state)? I'm not arrogant about this issue at all - I've studied it all my life, with great conscious humility to achieve a balanced understanding. "Solipsism" - quite evidently, you don't have the first understanding of the term: it's entirely misplaced. Now, try to justify such unwarranted insults.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 0:34:19 GMT 1
Okay. No more tolerance for your village-idiot stupidity and rat-like cowardice, matey.
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 25, 2018 0:40:18 GMT 1
Has it ever occurred to you that your arrogance and solipsism, as in your last dozen or so quick-fire posts, don't move the discussion on, but simply evince your arrogance and solipsism (as is appropriate to your state)? I'm not arrogant about this issue at all - I've studied it all my life, with great conscious humility to achieve a balanced understanding. "Solipsism" - quite evidently, you don't have the first understanding of the term: it's entirely misplaced. Now, try to justify such unwarranted insults. I don't think I have to try on 'arrogant', as it's obvious, so isn't an insult. Solipsism, unless you want to draw us into the depths of your best philosophy degree in the universe, is quite a normal usage for absorption in one's own views to the exclusion of all others.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 0:46:44 GMT 1
I'm not arrogant about this issue at all - I've studied it all my life, with great conscious humility to achieve a balanced understanding. "Solipsism" - quite evidently, you don't have the first understanding of the term: it's entirely misplaced. Now, try to justify such unwarranted insults. I don't think I have to try on 'arrogant', as it's obvious, so isn't an insult. Then the same goes for your stupidity, obv. You think you've been "educated", that's your ailment. I try to tell you the facts of a matter, and you think it's "arrogance". No. That's not what it means at all. At all. No need to point you to philosophy. Simply look it up in a dictionary.
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 25, 2018 0:55:28 GMT 1
I don't think I have to try on 'arrogant', as it's obvious, so isn't an insult. Then the same goes for your stupidity, obv. You think you've been "educated", that's your ailment. I try to tell you the facts of a matter, and you think it's "arrogance". No, that truly is arrogance. No. That's not what it means at all. At all. No need to point you to philosophy. Simply look it up in a dictionary. [/quote] I know perfectly well what it means. I was giving you one of the ordinary meanings, as I signalled.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 0:57:26 GMT 1
Look. Aqua's typical Mr.Nice-but-Dim stupidity. Nay's peculiar swallowing of anti-Israeli propaganda, Fing's floundering anti-semitic hatefulness - these aren't the issue. The issue is much more vitally important than anyone's personality problems and lack of education quirks. The issue is war. War. More than that - we're talking about a war of extermination. It's always been the case. You don't understand this? The first, basic, fundamental fact of this dispute? Then go away and learn a bit of history, and stop wasting everyone's time!
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 25, 2018 1:03:33 GMT 1
Well, give up on us, then. Go out and recruit people who you think could possibly be as educated and intelligent and of balanced personality, as you. And then you can stop wasting our time.
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Post by mrsonde on Sept 25, 2018 1:04:26 GMT 1
I don't think I have to try on 'arrogant', as it's obvious, so isn't an insult. No - it's a realistic assessment of the case. Dispute my facts, rather than issuing insults. You can't dispute my facts - you don't know enough. So you resort to insulting someone whom you feel has the "arrogance" to know more than you do. Then why did you lie by giving a definition you know was false? Trying to fool people? It's not the "ordinary" meaning at all. The only signalling is that you don't understand the meaning of a word you've tried to impress people you know how to use. I repeat - look it up in a dictionary. Learn something.
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