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Post by alancalverd on Sept 27, 2018 19:53:42 GMT 1
Since you claim not to be motivated by antisemitism, I can only conclude that you are too stupid to understand plain English. I don't intend to waste any more of my time on this subject.
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 28, 2018 1:28:11 GMT 1
That's a pity.
Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded.
People who identify as Palestinians have a right to exist, along with their wish to have their own state, and not be hounded.
Whether one of them has a greater right to ... etc than the other is history or just stories and will never be solved.
Sorry to be naff, but war, war or jaw, jaw?
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Post by fascinating on Sept 28, 2018 7:54:29 GMT 1
That's a pity. Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded. People who identify as Palestinians have a right to exist, along with their wish to have their own state, and not be hounded. Whether one of them has a greater right to ... etc than the other is history or just stories and will never be solved. Sorry to be naff, but war, war or jaw, jaw? There's enough room for them each to have their own state.
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Post by fascinating on Sept 28, 2018 8:10:41 GMT 1
I disagree with Alan's statement that no progress can be made without Hamas accepting Israel; it's like someone saying "There can be no progress until Israel accepts Palestine as a separate state". I suggest that, before that happens, a truce will progress the situation from violence to non-violence, at least temporarily.
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Post by Progenitor A on Sept 28, 2018 8:22:56 GMT 1
That's a pity. Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded. People who identify as Palestinians have a right to exist, along with their wish to have their own state, and not be hounded. Whether one of them has a greater right to ... etc than the other is history or just stories and will never be solved. Sorry to be naff, but war, war or jaw, jaw? There's enough room for them each to have their own state. It is essential to the existence of Israel that a 2-state solution is implemented. Isreal already has a demographic time-bomb ticking; it is estimated by some that if Arab/Israeli birth rates WITHIN Israeli continue then in 150 Years there will be an equal numbers of Jews and Arabs. For similar reasons, Israel cannot annex the WB (unless it repeats its ethnic cleansing of the area) I assume its policy is to acquire as much of the WB as it can get away with (and it seems under successive US Governments it can get away with very much), then offer an ungovernable rump to the Palestinins with fortified settlements scattered through it connected by protected roads that split the Palestinian State into islands. If that is their plan, and obviously I do not really know, then they wil be hated with a ferocity by the Arabs. One day the protection of the US will wither and fail,and what then?
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Post by fascinating on Sept 28, 2018 8:46:04 GMT 1
I think that Israel will regard a projection for 150 years hence as sufficiently far in the future to not worry about for the present. It seems obvious to me that the policy is to annex as much West Bank land as possible, as you say, and the land is already divided into a series of islands, looking at the map of the supposed extent of jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority. I am not sure that the Israelis care that the Arabs hate them - perhaps they take it as a given. I don't see the protection of the US failing, not for decades, and anyway the Israelis might think that they have enough firepower, including nuclear weapons, to call the shots whatever happens. I can envisage the situation in Gaza getting more serious, with people dying of starvation, thus bringing the matter to the world's attention, with some kind of imposed settlement, with the support of the USA.
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Post by alancalverd on Sept 28, 2018 20:13:30 GMT 1
Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded. Not according to Hamas. That is the problem.
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Post by aquacultured on Sept 29, 2018 0:35:52 GMT 1
I agree.
I wish we could all be agreed on the solution.
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Post by fascinating on Sept 29, 2018 7:57:53 GMT 1
Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded. Not according to Hamas. That is the problem. Not in the WB, where Israel denies the right of a Palestinian state to exist.
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Post by Progenitor A on Sept 29, 2018 8:14:31 GMT 1
Israel and the people who live there have a right to exist, and not be hounded. Not according to Hamas. That is the problem. This is getting tedious in repetition. Richard Falk Princeton Professor of International Law and UN Rapporteur for Israel/Palestine and Sir Jeremy Greenstock former UK UN ambassador have both indicated that HAMAS is willing to recognise Israel if a 2-State solution can be agreed It is intersting that Isreal does nor seem interested in agreeing a solution with the WB that has categorically stated it recognises Israel whilst its reluctance to deal with Hamas is understandable. Its intentions in the region are not clear ,but do not seem to include a 2-State solution. Indeed why should they as long as the US gives its unconditional support, no matter what Israel does
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Post by fascinating on Sept 29, 2018 9:58:03 GMT 1
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