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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 22, 2011 13:08:19 GMT 1
England is now the most over-crowded country in Europe
Labour allowed in 3.2 million immigrants during the period1997-2010
It is estimated another 1 million arrived, and stayed here illegally
This created a burden of 500,000 extra children in our primary schools, many of them non-English speaking
Within 20 years the population will be 70 million (some observers consider it has laready reached that level)
75% of the British population think that mass immigration is a major problem
Prefessor David Coleman of Oxbridge calculates that 'white British' may be a minority by 2060
All this in a 'democracy' that does not want it!
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Post by speakertoanimals on Feb 22, 2011 16:54:48 GMT 1
.............and are also almost totally ignorant about the actual levels of immigrants. And I'm afraid that round my way, it is just used as a veiled excuse for racism. Mind you, the inner-city catholic churches aren't complaining, they've never had it so good!
whereas in the west-country village where my mum lives, a single asian family (who might have been born and bred here as far as I know) coming to open a curry-house is seen as 'mass immigration'.............
Might I just add that using 'black future' in that sense is racist, unless you are really complaining about all the poles, and didn't mean anything else by the use of black...................
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 22, 2011 17:48:02 GMT 1
Absolutely spot on Nay. That bloody Hengst and Horsa should be driven back to where they came from and leave us poor Celts alone. Hmm.... I wonder when you will contribute something intelligent?
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Post by speakertoanimals on Feb 22, 2011 18:43:19 GMT 1
I thought that was quite intelligent, and mildly witty....................We are a nation of immigrants, that's the fact. ANyone else remember that excellent program a while back where they took some anti-immigration bigots (I'm not saying everyone who is anti-immigration is a bigot, but some are), and then showed one supposed true-blue enlishman that actually he was the child of immigrants, not all that far back.
I'd say that the real problem is not immigration, but the public perception as regards immigrants --we have FEWER immigrants than many EU countries, but seem to worry about it much more. Is it just a convenient scape-goat, with the economic situation getting worse -- blame it all on immigrants. Get rid of them, and it would all be hunky-dory again......................................Except for the polish plumbers of course, else we'd never get our burst pipes fixed!
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Post by marchesarosa on Feb 22, 2011 21:16:00 GMT 1
"we have FEWER immigrants than many EU countries, but seem to worry about it much more".
I think this is a fallacy. All of Europe is worried about muslim immigration. I don't think they worry so much about the others because the rest are capable of integration and don't come from xenophobic, voluntarily self-segregated cultures.
There is no need to "get rid" of the ones already here, just stop more coming and above all stop the arranged marriage with the subcontinent which is just a scam to spread UK citizenship amongst the clan "back home". Imported spouses, via the arranged marriage account more than anything else for the astronomical birthrate amongst muslims relative to British society.
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Post by rsmith7 on Feb 22, 2011 21:48:43 GMT 1
Whether the UK has more immigrants than the rest of wherever isn't the point. The interesting thing is that every country considers its immigration level as a problem. Wouldn't it have been more sensible to have instituted a point system from the start (WW2?) so that the immigrants were, at least, useful.
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Post by rsmith7 on Feb 22, 2011 22:15:15 GMT 1
I think it depends on the context Political correctness is the real enemy.
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Post by speakertoanimals on Feb 23, 2011 1:36:03 GMT 1
Which is the biggest load to total twaddle to appear on these boards so far.
Unhappily, I see that M has slipped into casual islamophobia as well.
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Post by alanseago on Feb 23, 2011 4:06:51 GMT 1
As a double immigrant married to an immigrant (she is only an immigrant for six months a year), I have never had any problems. I am not offended when the French call me 'Rosbif'.
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Post by rsmith7 on Feb 23, 2011 8:53:47 GMT 1
Which is the biggest load to total twaddle to appear on these boards so far. Unhappily, I see that M has slipped into casual islamophobia as well. Then you value political correctness over freedom of speech??? That would make you an idiot.
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Post by louise on Feb 23, 2011 9:12:05 GMT 1
That would make you an idiot. Every time somebody posts something that you disagree with, you call them an idiot. It's not really a very good argument as it says nothing about why you disagree with them. Could you please explain why you think political correctness is so dangerous?
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Post by Progenitor A on Feb 23, 2011 9:22:36 GMT 1
Which is the biggest load to total twaddle to appear on these boards so far. Unhappily, I see that M has slipped into casual islamophobia as well. Then you value political correctness over freedom of speech??? That would make you an idiot. Ah yes But do you not find casual Islamophobia much more acceptable than organised Islamophobia? And should not a democracy take note of the wishes of its electorate, or should the liberal elite be free to do as they wish, as they do in the EU?
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Post by rsmith7 on Feb 23, 2011 10:05:19 GMT 1
That would make you an idiot. Every time somebody posts something that you disagree with, you call them an idiot. It's not really a very good argument as it says nothing about why you disagree with them. Could you please explain why you think political correctness is so dangerous? Simply because it strikes at the heart of our fundamental freedom of expression. A very bad thing. No?
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Post by jean on Feb 23, 2011 10:47:28 GMT 1
Most decent people try to avoid language that will hurt and upset others.
Those who want to go round saying whatever they like, however hurtful it may be, make use of the term political correctness in order to ridicule anyone who demurs. It doesn't strike at the heart of anything. Most of the 'examples' that people regularly trot out of its damaging effects turn out to be myths.
Can you give even one examole of something political correctness has ever prevented you from giving expression to?
(What a sad pass for a supposed Science board to have come to!)
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Post by rsmith7 on Feb 23, 2011 11:14:55 GMT 1
I was called a "racist twat" by a young chap during my election campaign. He was incandescent with rage because I said the Chernobyl nuclear plant was made in Russia under communism - in other words - made badly by people who were drunk. He had obviously been well indoctrinated in political correctness. He hadn't been taught much about the best human trait - humour. I was delighted - my first heckler! Another ultra annoying example is the habit of government agencies to refer to fishermen as "fishers" so as not to upset all the fisherwomen - both of them. Or how about the ridiculous childrens BBC programmes that studiously have a child from every race and a token disabled included. Why??? It's all too ridiculous.
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