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Post by mrsonde on May 28, 2015 14:07:18 GMT 1
Not a request then, under anyone's definition. Yes. I could. mrsonde, I politely ask you to show any instances, from this discussion, where I have given any insults to you at all.
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Post by fascinating on May 29, 2015 18:56:23 GMT 1
If you consider it a waste of time, you can save time by just looking in this discussion. When I asked you to show me where I had insulted you in this discussion, you said "Just don't do it. Be polite and reasonable, and you'll be responded to in the same manner. " So you did not point out any instances of my insults here, I think I have been polite, but you nevertheless did insult me.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 22, 2015 1:05:18 GMT 1
If you consider it a waste of time, you can save time by just looking in this discussion. No - as I said, I'll feel free to raom across discussions thanks. You might change hats betweem threads for some reaon, but I see no reason I should. Not really. I called you a twit. Where's the insult? Look - I'll be polite to you. No skin off. Just be polite yourself, and you won't get so unnecessarily worked up like this. Okay? Deal? Be rude to me - and you'll get upset. Unnecessrily. Best to avoid that, I think. So - be polite, like. Best all round, I think.
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Post by jean on Jul 22, 2015 9:22:15 GMT 1
I don't think that was the only insult you threw around - even if it was, the fact that you think it's 'true' doesn't mean it's not an insult.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 22, 2015 19:24:34 GMT 1
I don't think that was the only insult you threw around - even if it was, the fact that you think it's 'true' doesn't mean it's not an insult. Interesting grammatical aerobatics, Jean. You're saying, I think, if my parsing can keep up with you, that the fact that Fascinating is a twit is true, but that if I think it so it becomes an insult. Hmmm...on reflection, I consider that an insult, madame!
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Post by fascinating on Jul 23, 2015 10:09:37 GMT 1
Look, you, I, Jean and everybody else who might read this, knows that calling somebody a twit is an insult. You insulted me and you know (we all know) that I did not insult you in this discussion.
If you consider all this a waste of time, best not to throw insults at me or anyone else; if you think somebody is incorrect about something, simply state the reasons why you think that.
So - in future, you just be polite.
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Post by jean on Jul 23, 2015 10:40:17 GMT 1
...You're saying, I think, if my parsing can keep up with you, that the fact that Fascinating is a twit is true, but that if I think it so it becomes an insult... No, I'm saying that calling anyone a twit is an insult, however 'true' you might think it is in any particular case.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 23, 2015 19:52:27 GMT 1
Fine - that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I on the other hand place a higher value on the truth than on not offending anyone. I don't mind offending anyone, as long as I'm speaking the truth. To be truthful, I think I'm doing them a service. You support the Green Party, for example. This is from any rational and humanitarian point of view a grevious insult. If I called you a Nazi you'd appreciate it: as it is, you don't grasp the truth that your whole political philosophy if enacted would lead to untold suffering and widespread misery, so you don't register the insult. Hence "twit" would be a kinder service to you, if only you took the time or had the wit to examine its meaning.
Now move on - you should be in Mr.Pooter's class on Virgil so you can one day adminsiter the uppity natives in the Punjab, shouldn;t you, not standing out here in the corridor scratching your arse.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 23, 2015 20:03:11 GMT 1
Look, you, I, Jean and everybody else who might read this, knows that calling somebody a twit is an insult. So? I haven't denied I've insulted you - why should I? I don't mind insulting you, if you deserve it. If you insult me when I'm trying to have a rational discussion, you deserve it, in my judgement. I don't care whether you disagree or not. I've said this at least a dozen times to you and to Jean over the past few years. Sooner or later it's going to sink home. In this discussion perhaps not - I couldn't care less. The one I was having with you five minuites before on another thread you did though, so who the fuck cares? I'm not bothered. I'll throw whatever insults are warranted - it doesn't bother me. You're the one bothered. Take your own advice, therefore, or girdle up. Fuck you, you ugly fat bitch. See? It doesn't bother me. Give me orders as is your wont and this will be my refrain. See - I take that sort of thing as an insult, like you obejct to being correctly identified as a twit. Someone gives you an order and you don't mind, because you're a lifelong subordinate doing what you've been told and haven't the wit or spirit to do anything else. Similarly, I don't care whether anyone calls me a twit, because I know I'm not one. Now, I've given you freindly polite advice. If you don't want to be insulted, don't start the insults. If you don't want to accept that advice, fine - I really don't care. If my ammunition and aim were as poor as yours, I might think twice about it - as it is, fire away.
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Post by jean on Jul 23, 2015 22:58:31 GMT 1
...I'll throw whatever insults are warranted... Insults are never warranted. That's the point. It is no defence to claim that the insults you're so fond of contain some obectively-measurable 'truth'. They are mostly pure value-judgments. It is a disservice to the 'truth' you think you venerate to imagine otherwise.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 24, 2015 0:11:14 GMT 1
...I'll throw whatever insults are warranted... Insults are never warranted. That's the point. Nooooo...that's your point. I've told you before, I don't agree with it. I'm not a pacifist. Someone hits me, I hit them back. I understand you're a woman, and a not very honest one at that. You like to insult in a snide, supercilious manner, so you can feign the moral highground when someone responds in exactly the way you intended. Fascinating isn't half as bright as you, I'll acknowledge - unlike you, she doesn't even seem to realise she's being a bitch, and her outrage at being responded to in similar vein is not as faux as yours. Either way - I don't give a toss. Your point isn't my point. My point is: if you don't want to be insulted, don't start it. Have a reasonable arguement with me and you'll be responded to reasonably. Simple as. Sure it is. It's all the defence I require anyway. You;re going to try to pretend that Fascinating is not a twit, or that you are not a bitch? Come on. This is a messageboard. Your words are out there. No. You're a bitch alright. No jury in the land would say otherwise.
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Post by jean on Jul 24, 2015 10:38:54 GMT 1
My point is: if you don't want to be insulted, don't start it. You're the one who 'starts it'. Every time. Indeed they are - but you've never been able to quote any insultscontained in them. Not one. You're reduced to claiming Are these insults so cleverly veiled that only you can perceive them? Besides, if I'm really as manipulative as that, I'm clearly not very good at it since you (and Nay) are pretty well the only posters anywhere who respond to me in the way you think I intend (and Nay's replies are but a pale shadow of yours.)
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Post by fascinating on Jul 24, 2015 17:17:22 GMT 1
Well there you have it, mrsonde's assertions that he will continue to be polite as long as others do not start being impolite, are shown to be lies.
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Post by mrsonde on Jul 31, 2015 18:44:32 GMT 1
Nope. I've issued this challenge to you several times before, whenever through your appalling lack of self-awareness you like to start this nonsense. Demonstrate it. You never respond, because you can't. The first time I went to the trouble of showing how you started it. You wisely chose to disappear from that conversation, did you not? After that, before which I had considerable respect for your integrity, you have chosen to take up this attitude of derisive competitiveness, time and time again. It doesn't take long in any exchange we have before you "start". Fascinasting is exactly the same, though not, I admit, so aggressive - merely more simperingly pathetic and risible. Rubbish. I haven't bothered doing so again, since you first made this ridiculous accusation - what's the point? Instead I've issued the challenge to you, every time, each time you've attempted to derail whatever converstaion you barge in on with the charge. Provide the demonstration, please. I did so the first time, and you didn't answer. I'll do so again, if you wish. But it's up to you now - show how I instigate any civil break from a rational and politely conducted converstaion. You will not be able to. Nope. You want a list of posters who have told you the same thing? "Manipulative"?! That's how you see yourself, is it? Some sort of superior Machiavellian intelligence, influencing the dimwits? No. I'm afraid the truth of the matter is rather more mundane. Beneath the obvious unpleasant rudeness, my analysis is that you're so hyper-competitive (with men) that you see any debate as a do-or-die combat. Your insecurities make it very hard to simply deal with the issues of the debate, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. How soon poor Vanya was forgotten! Memento mori. As for anyone else - I agree you manage to intimidate a lot of people who are not so competent as Nay and I. Others, such as Pippa, merely get bored with your schoolmarm pomposity and tell you to shutup and stop your nonsense - which in the long run is probably a more sensible response. Yeah, I'm not too comfortable with the "cunt" word, if that's what you mean.
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Post by fascinating on Aug 2, 2015 8:20:40 GMT 1
More time-wasting drivel from by mrsonde. As he, and everyone else who has read this discussion, knows, he cannot provide any instances where I started insulting him, yet of course he obviously spewed out a string of insults. It's him who "starts it" alright.
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